My Z10 Triumphs, Tribulations, and Failures

[Rehab1]

21 minutes ago, stephen said:

WTF did i just see ??

Pretty cool video! Similar to riding a motorcycle, steer in the opposite direction your headed.

 

[Klin]

27 minutes ago, Toshio Uemura said:

Right! And here is another example of how to go downhill on a Z

Note the foot position of the left foot. This is how you ride the Z!

Excluding dat stance, this is pretty much what I do with my Tesla down the mountain roads near my house. 

[steve454]

1 hour ago, Marty Backe said:

If you sign up for e-mail status updates, you will get an immediate e-mail as soon as the package is 'delivered'. Like within a minute or two. It's very effective.

Hopefully someday they will do what Amazon now does, if you use their phone app. You actually get notifications that tell you, "Your package is 4-stops away". And you can click on a map and see where the delivery vehicle is relative to your home. It's very cool.

Yeah, I don't really order that much, maybe once or three times a year.  And not that much in a hurry to get things, they usually ship pretty quick.  And it's like @Hunka Hunka Burning Love said, it's fun to forget you ordered something, and then it shows up.  

[justanut]

5 hours ago, Toshio Uemura said:

Just out of curiosity: Have you ridden the Z for a month or longer (as I did). If not?! it really starts getting surreal and almost religious cult like ... ? 

Thats the nihon obsession with all things they love haha ? 

[novazeus]

3 hours ago, novazeus said:

i have fedex eve jitters.

 living on a cattle ranch presents special challenges receiving packages with signature required

 

[Arbolest]

56 minutes ago, novazeus said:

 

 

Are you trying to give people nightmares or something?!?!   

[justanut]

13 hours ago, justanut said:

Oh erm.. I prefer having it.. Feels more akin to the usual V8 braking when I have it on.. I can feel more feedback when I sit back to slow and stop. Without it, it feels hollow.. don’t feel the rubberband effect if you get what I mean..

After 2hrs of riding today, I’ve decided to retract my statement.. The brake assist actually gets in the way of carving at higher speeds, wrongly assuming I’m trying to brake and throwing my weight off.. Switching between the two, I’ve decided that brake assist OFF works better for how I’m now riding the wheel.

oh and sloped paths are no longer a problem.. Its pretty easy to just throw my hip to the other side and just ride it like a surf.. 

loving how this thing handles!!!

Edited August 25, 2018 by justanut

[Ziiten]

There has been some suggestions to take the wheel to a 30% hill to test it. I think the manual says not to do anything beyond 25%. But as it is in Chinese I am relying on pics only.

Edited August 25, 2018 by Ziiten

[Marty Backe]

31 minutes ago, Ziiten said:

There has been some suggestions to take the wheel to a 30% hill to test it. I think the manual says not to do anything beyond 25%. But as it is in Chinese I am relying on pics only.

I just looked at my Z10 documentation. It also says that the Maximum Speed is 20kph

I don't think we can believe much of what the manuals say 

[electricpen]

So I've been debating but wanted some input from all the Z10 riders. I actually am fairly happy with the wheels I have but was wondering. Which wheel do you think would handle massive potholes and cracked/warped roads the best - the Z10 or the MSX? You know in case I have to ride my wheel in the apocalypse. Or in downtown SF 

Seriously though the roads I ride on close to me are in horrible shape and I occasionally hit one I didn't see that sends me flying on my MCM5. It doesn't happen often but it is currently the biggest existential danger I face when riding as a regular mode of transportation. I'm considering a larger wheel that has a better chance of absorbing a bump or pothole I didn't spot in time. I'm going to take some pictures one of these days, but some of the manhole covers I've seen downtown are sunken into the asphalt like 4-5" and there are a lot of giant bumps and just sunken in spots that are hard to spot because they are deep and sudden but relatively small in diameter (but big enough to swallow the contact patch on a 14" wheel easily. 

[Marty Backe]

11 minutes ago, electricpen said:

So I've been debating but wanted some input from all the Z10 riders. I actually am fairly happy with the wheels I have but was wondering. Which wheel do you think would handle massive potholes and cracked/warped roads the best - the Z10 or the MSX? You know in case I have to ride my wheel in the apocalypse. Or in downtown SF 

Seriously though the roads I ride on close to me are in horrible shape and I occasionally hit one I didn't see that sends me flying on my MCM5. It doesn't happen often but it is currently the biggest existential danger I face when riding as a regular mode of transportation. I'm considering a larger wheel that has a better chance of absorbing a bump or pothole I didn't spot in time. I'm going to take some pictures one of these days, but some of the manhole covers I've seen downtown are sunken into the asphalt like 4-5" and there are a lot of giant bumps and just sunken in spots that are hard to spot because they are deep and sudden but relatively small in diameter (but big enough to swallow the contact patch on a 14" wheel easily. 

Absolutely, the MSX would be the wheel to get. The Z10 tire is actually less than 18-inches in diameter and the MSX tire is approaching 20-inches. The diameter of the tire plays a bigger role in comfort than the width, or so I think it does. Feels like it to me.

There's no doubt that the MSX offers a more comfy ride. The Z10 offers a more grittier ride - you feel more connected to the surface that you're riding on. Could also be the stiffer tire too.

For the conditions that you describe, I think the only better wheel than the MSX would be the Monster, which is the all time king of wheels for comfy cruising in the worst of conditions.

That's my take 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Marty Backe

[Marcglider]

3 minutes ago, electricpen said:

Which wheel do you think would handle massive potholes and cracked/warped roads the best - the Z10 or the MSX?

I will give you a little input I have been receiving... I spoke with @Mark Lee today... he rode the Z for a while a few weeks ago and videos were posted on here (group ride in Utah)... he owns an MSX and I asked if he was getting a Z... the long story short is the MSX has a much bigger tire (diameter) as well as what seems like a much wider sidewall. He is raving about how the wheel feels like it has a suspension, as opposed to the Z feel with the wider tubeless tire which is being run at what sounds like scary-low pressures I think to get a little absorption in the ride as well as tracking. Mark follows me so I am sure he will chime in on this for you and I think Marty will confirm his thoughts as well, we will see... Good Luck

[Ziiten]

1 hour ago, Marty Backe said:

I just looked at my Z10 documentation. It also says that the Maximum Speed is 20kph

I don't think we can believe much of what the manuals say 

I think that 20 km/h is just regulatory cosmetics. In most European countries the max speed for electric (bi)cycles is 25 km/h, so they can't officially say the thing does 45 km/h.

Edited August 25, 2018 by Ziiten

[Toshio Uemura]

2 hours ago, electricpen said:

So I've been debating but wanted some input from all the Z10 riders. I actually am fairly happy with the wheels I have but was wondering. Which wheel do you think would handle massive potholes and cracked/warped roads the best - the Z10 or the MSX? You know in case I have to ride my wheel in the apocalypse. Or in downtown SF 

Seriously though the roads I ride on close to me are in horrible shape and I occasionally hit one I didn't see that sends me flying on my MCM5. It doesn't happen often but it is currently the biggest existential danger I face when riding as a regular mode of transportation. I'm considering a larger wheel that has a better chance of absorbing a bump or pothole I didn't spot in time. I'm going to take some pictures one of these days, but some of the manhole covers I've seen downtown are sunken into the asphalt like 4-5" and there are a lot of giant bumps and just sunken in spots that are hard to spot because they are deep and sudden but relatively small in diameter (but big enough to swallow the contact patch on a 14" wheel easily. 

I can’t speak for the MSX, but I have ridden the MSuperV3s+ quite some time over tough terrain, after earthquakes and landslides, not really apocalyptic, but close. See for yourself:

The MSuperV3s+ is doing very well in such environment and I suppose the MSX is probably even doing better. So with the 100- 120 km of range (for a flyweight rider!) and the 18” tire of the MSuper it is a sure bet in apocalyptic scenarios. And it probably would be my choice in emergencies (over the Z!) The smaller tire gives you a higher maneuverability on surfaces as shown above, BUT the tire of the Z is probably less likely to get punctured on such apocalyptic terrain. So it would be a draw, if there weren’t the range of the MSuper V3s+.

So yes! The MSuper (MSX) would be my choice over the Z in such apocalyptic scenarios!

BUT other than that: before I got the Z I used my MSuper for long distance cruising around Lake Biwa or Lake Kawaguchi for example and my Tesla for flash speedy trips into the city or a night (to show off ?). So they had both their merits. The Tesla was the sports car and the MSuper the SUV. But with the Z10 I got the Allrounder, the PORSCHE Cayenne, a sports SUV. All over It’s 100% satisfying, even if it doesn’t have 100% of everything, but it has at least 10% more of any single other wheel I got. So if had to keep but one wheel, it definitely would be the Z10. 

But I keep the others anyway. ? You never know when the next earthquake strikes. ? 

PS: I am still thinking about getting me a 100V Monster just in case for the real apocalypses. ? 

 

Edited August 25, 2018 by Toshio Uemura

[Marty Backe]

My first weekend with my copy of the Z10. Wanted to do an extreme range test so I decided to try a river loop including the Long Beach oceanfront. 42-miles long.

Long video that has limited interest, but for those who want a tour of two Los Angeles rivers that I ride a lot, you may enjoy parts of it.

 

[Arbolest]

1 hour ago, Marty Backe said:

My first weekend with my copy of the Z10. Wanted to do an extreme range test so I decided to try a river loop including the Long Beach oceanfront. 42-miles long.

Long video that has limited interest, but for those who want a tour of two Los Angeles rivers that I ride a lot, you may enjoy parts of it.

 

I really enjoyed this video. It gave me a good amount of time to get to know the machine better, especially the noises it makes, which are simultaneously endearing and teeth-grindingly annoying! Actually, I had been wondering about that (the sound of it) for a long time, because the pre-production model that we tried out when you came up to San Fran didn't have the sound working properly 

My girlfriend has basically fallen in love with the Z10 (she's not alone either xD), and after I talked her ear off about it when I came back from the Saturday group ride to Half-moon bay, well, let's just say we'll be getting one as soon as Jason can get them in stock 

Thanks for the killer video Marty! It makes for great drool-over material for her 

[justanut]

3 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

My first weekend with my copy of the Z10. Wanted to do an extreme range test so I decided to try a river loop including the Long Beach oceanfront. 42-miles long.

Long video that has limited interest, but for those who want a tour of two Los Angeles rivers that I ride a lot, you may enjoy parts of it.

 

Nice! I just came back from a 30km ride (which earned me a puncture) and found my toes cramping up, and going numb from 20km on.. how do u overcome it? Or perhaps I’m simply leaning too much? I wish u could adjust tilt of the wheels like Inmotion..

[Marty Backe]

11 minutes ago, justanut said:

Nice! I just came back from a 30km ride (which earned me a puncture) and found my toes cramping up, and going numb from 20km on.. how do u overcome it? Or perhaps I’m simply leaning too much? I wish u could adjust tilt of the wheels like Inmotion..

I think I just have tough feet   However, on long rides I do stretch my feet while riding, alternating my feet, riding on my heel or toes.

[Marty Backe]

3 hours ago, Arbolest said:

I really enjoyed this video. It gave me a good amount of time to get to know the machine better, especially the noises it makes, which are simultaneously endearing and teeth-grindingly annoying! Actually, I had been wondering about that (the sound of it) for a long time, because the pre-production model that we tried out when you came up to San Fran didn't have the sound working properly 

My girlfriend has basically fallen in love with the Z10 (she's not alone either xD), and after I talked her ear off about it when I came back from the Saturday group ride to Half-moon bay, well, let's just say we'll be getting one as soon as Jason can get them in stock 

Thanks for the killer video Marty! It makes for great drool-over material for her 

Yeah, it's nice to have a version of the Z10 with a working sound system. That's cool that you're getting a Z10 and that you have a girlfriend that rides too. Lucky you 

Glad you got something out of the video.

[Ziiten]

I found that after connecting to the sound system with BT, I wasn't able to connect with the Segway app anymore even though I made my phone to forget the connection to the speakers. Had to reboot my phone for the app to connect againg. Has anyone been able to use the wheel as phone call speaker.

[Ziiten]

8 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

My first weekend with my copy of the Z10. Wanted to do an extreme range test so I decided to try a river loop including the Long Beach oceanfront. 42-miles long.

Long video that has limited interest, but for those who want a tour of two Los Angeles rivers that I ride a lot, you may enjoy parts of it.

 

On the video, I see your dlrl is blinking. Is that a video effect or is it really blinking. I seem to have no such light mode. I think my dlrl is off on every other power on and by long pressing I get the main light on. Ninebot should add changing of light modes to the app. Currently the app only has lights on/off.

[Mike Paolini]

 

 

6 hours ago, justanut said:

Nice! I just came back from a 30km ride (which earned me a puncture) and found my toes cramping up, and going numb from 20km on.. how do u overcome it? Or perhaps I’m simply leaning too much? I wish u could adjust tilt of the wheels like Inmotion..

Couple of things to try.  1) Adjust the tilt, 2) try boots with a 3/4 shank in them for support, 3) carve to take the weight off alternating feet and get the blood flowing.

[Ziiten]

16 minutes ago, Mike Paolini said:

Couple of things to try.  2) try boots with a 3/4 shank in them for support

How about these texas style boots for riding.

Edited August 26, 2018 by Ziiten

[meepmeepmayer]

11 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

My first weekend with my copy of the Z10. Wanted to do an extreme range test so I decided to try a river loop including the Long Beach oceanfront. 42-miles long.

Nice to watch this, a more geographical video that shows how everything looks and connects.

42 miles on <1000Wh? How does this work? Did you just go slower, or is the Z more efficient than the other wheels? What range does your 1300Wh ACM2 give you?

Just asking because 40-42 miles is about what I get from my 1300Wh ACM without slowing down (going just under the 30kph/19mph alarm until it beeps). Less if it is colder, but you wouldn't know colder temperature ranges :-)

[Marty Backe]

4 hours ago, Ziiten said:

On the video, I see your dlrl is blinking. Is that a video effect or is it really blinking. I seem to have no such light mode. I think my dlrl is off on every other power on and by long pressing I get the main light on. Ninebot should add changing of light modes to the app. Currently the app only has lights on/off.

I think I finally understand what's going on with the Z10 DLRL and the main light. Like you, the Z10 lights are confusing. Here are the different light modes that I've detected:

• All lights off
• DLRL on
• DLRL flashing
• Main light on
• Main light flashing
• DLRL and Main light on
• Main light auto-on (turns on when it gets dark.

I think the DLRL starts to blink when you are riding and the light sensor detects that it's not dark. When you stop riding, it stops blinking.

If you turn on the Main light when it's not dark, I think it starts to blink when you are moving.

I think the Main light auto-on feature will turn the main light on if you have the light off during daylight but then the wheel enters a dark area. Not positive.

But in general, I'm still a little confused about all the light modes. I wish you could more actively control these modes.

Confused?  

P.s. I think you have to turn on the Main light in the app during the daytime to get the DLRL to be on and blinking during the daylight. Long-pressing the power button will turn on the main-light during the daytime, and cause it to blink also (when moving). Confused more? 

Edited August 26, 2018 by Marty Backe