fryman Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 9 hours ago, Marty Backe said: 960wh to be exact I knew one of you nerds would call me out on this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 22 hours ago, Marty Backe said: I understand what you're saying, but I didn't mean to be too hard on Chooch (see my smiley faces). It's meant to be good natured ribbing, on my part. All's good now with the wheel Most members (including myself) would trust you with any of our wheels on loan. They would probably be returned in better shape than when you received them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winter Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) Edited August 18, 2018 by nte 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, nte said: Not 995Wh? jason’s chart 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 11 minutes ago, nte said: Not 995Wh? No, you're right. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, nte said: Not 995Wh? 18 minutes ago, novazeus said: jason’s chart 10 minutes ago, houseofjob said: No, you're right. Everyone is right. I had a brain fart 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, houseofjob said: No, you're right. that’s interesting. it says do not expose to temperatures higher than 122 f, but if the container transporting them is exposed to the sun, the temps in there could be easily 145 degrees. i know, i’m living in one now for almost 3 years. they get hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, novazeus said: that’s interesting. it says do not expose to temperatures higher than 122 f, but if the container transporting them is exposed to the sun, the temps in there could be easily 145 degrees. i know, i’m living in one now for almost 3 years. they get hot. Yeah, that seems ridiculous. Hell, it was literally that temperature in a few places in Southern California last week. And that would mean we couldn't transport it in the back of our car. I'm calling BS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winter Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) Edited August 18, 2018 by nte 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post novazeus Posted July 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Marty Backe said: Yeah, that seems ridiculous. Hell, it was literally that temperature in a few places in Southern California last week. And that would mean we couldn't transport it in the back of our car. I'm calling BS before i got Bob, i didn’t even have ac in here. i’d shoot the ceiling with my ir thermometer and it would be 147 degrees. like a dry heat sauna. i store my wheels in the old homestead that probably never gets higher than 85 degrees. u have to climb a ladder in and out of my compound so toting a fifty pound wheel inside to the ac is only done for serious wrenching. i could easily build a gate but with my medicine, i might leave the gate open and Bob would get out. he hasn’t learn how to climb a ladder yet or isn’t letting on he knows how. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 15, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2018 33 minutes ago, nte said: I think the batteries start to degrade above 122F https://batterybro.com/blogs/18650-wholesale-battery-reviews/77975750-how-to-store-18650-batteries-safely Yet I'm not the only person who keeps at least one EUC in their vehicle at all times. And we know how hot our cars can get. The batteries in all of my wheels are still doing just fine. Knock on wood. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasz Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 @Marty Backe "Movie news" ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 15, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2018 20 minutes ago, Lukasz said: @Marty Backe "Movie news" ? I need another full-time video editor . Between riding, editing, sleeping, eating, and life, I've run out 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasz Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 ? I know what You mean... Take Your time and rest.. ETA questions can be annoying... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 15, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2018 Tire Tracking - Trails and Crappy Roads OK, I've done a fair amount (but much more to do) of smooth trail/street riding and rough street/trail riding on this wheel. I'll have more to say about pavement riding in a later post, but now I'm going to focus on rough uneven riding conditions. My first analogy will only be useful to fellow Mten3 owners, but I'll still make it because of it's usefulness. Of all the wheels that I own or have ridden, The Z10 feels most like the Mten3! Others probably already know this, and my apologies to @houseofjob if he already stated this: fat (wide) tires must track very poorly. On crappy pavement or similar trails, I expected the Z10 to roll over them like a train on rails. It's the opposite. During my Griffith Park ride last night the wheel was pulling left and right all the time. I let @Stan Onymous ride it for a bit on one the trail sections to make sure that I wasn't imaging it. He confirmed my reactions and analogy to the Mten3 (he owns one). But as Bill says, what you need to do is just let the wheel do its thing. Don't fight it. And he's right. Of course you have to make course corrections, but it's much less work if you're looser in your corrections. The tire was inflated to ~25psi. The one place where it does track like a train on rails is in sand. I rode through various sections of trail with deep sand that would normally make you swish back and forth. But the Z10 just plowed through it like nothing So if any of you guys are buying this wheel with the expectation that it's going to ride straight and true, you'll be disappointed. All other 18-inch wheels track much much better on uneven pavement/trails. Note that I'm discussing crappy road riding. I'll have another post on smooth riding, but I'll say quickly that it rides very differently (in a good way) when traveling over smooth pavement. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post houseofjob Posted July 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2018 My 2 cents: 25PSi is too low for the average male bodyweight on the Z tire, don't really subscribe to what others have said. Under 30PSI for me at 175-180lbs rider weight did too much underinflated pull left and right, ~30PSI eliminated this at my spec. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, houseofjob said: My 2 cents: 25PSi is too low for the average male bodyweight on the Z tire, don't really subscribe to what others have said. Under 30PSI for me at 175-180lbs rider weight did too much underinflated pull left and right, ~30PSI eliminated this at my spec. When I take it into the hills tonight I'm going to vary the pressure. Unfortunately, the little riding that I did at >30psi made for a much harder ride. Catch twenty two. You want lower pressure in trail riding to reduce the abuse that your legs go through, but then the tracking sucks. Pump the tire up and it tracks good but it destroys your legs. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikas Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Yeah, that seems ridiculous. Hell, it was literally that temperature in a few places in Southern California last week. And that would mean we couldn't transport it in the back of our car. I'm calling BS Hmm. So I have a question... after riding the machine can you charge it right away or let the machine cool down first and then charge it ? Also someone please demystify the correct psi for riding the z10 ? Thankyou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stan Onymous Posted July 15, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Vikas said: Also someone please demystify the correct psi for riding the z10 ? Nope. Not possible. It seems to be conditional on body weight, riding style, terrain, possible lunar cycles and tide charts, it is a fantastically interesting vehicle and you learn a lot about riding by just trying it out. @Marty Backe is gonna have to keep it for twice as long as chooch to really deconstruct this onion of a vehicle. Perfect person for the task! Edited July 15, 2018 by Stan Onymous 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikas Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Stan Onymous said: Nope. Not possible. It seems to be conditional on body weight, riding style, terrain, possible lunar cycles and tide charts, it is a fantastically interesting vehicle and you learn a lot about riding by just trying it out. @Marty Backe is gonna have to keep it for twice as long as chooch to really deconstruct this onion of a vehicle. Perfectperson for the task! Thankyou so much. I got so used to riding my acm's always at 45-50 psi I weight in at 210lbs and I'm 6'4". I am absolutely clueless about this one. At least what the minimum riding psi would be for this z10 without damaging the tire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, Vikas said: Hmm. So I have a question... after riding the machine can you charge it right away or let the machine cool down first and then charge it ? Also someone please demystify the correct psi for riding the z10 ? Thankyou. I never wait to charge my wheels. They aren't drawing enough current in use to make the batteries warm. In practice I usually don't get around to plugging the wheel in right away, but sometimes I do. Regarding the Z10 - see @Stan Onymous's reply below I can say that this wheel won't be a single psi wheel, that's for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikas Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: I never wait to charge my wheels. They aren't drawing enough current in use to make the batteries warm. In practice I usually don't get around to plugging the wheel in right away, but sometimes I do. Regarding the Z10 - see @Stan Onymous's reply below I can say that this wheel won't be a single psi wheel, that's for sure. Thanks so much Marty. I really appreciate your feedback. I am sure you'll decimate this wheel at a molecular level for all of us ? Edited July 15, 2018 by Vikas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Tucker Posted July 15, 2018 Share Posted July 15, 2018 I enjoy the squirrliness of the Mten3...when I'm in the mood, but not an everydayer. No substitute for the look and feel of the Mten3, seems the Z will be the same! Great addition to a collection. Who owns just one wheel anyways?? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted July 15, 2018 Author Share Posted July 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, Tom Skanks said: I enjoy the squirrliness of the Mten3...when I'm in the mood, but not an everydayer. No substitute for the look and feel of the Mten3, seems the Z will be the same! Great addition to a collection. Who owns just one wheel anyways?? Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted July 16, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted July 16, 2018 The Lights In the following video I demonstrate all of the light modes of the Z10. Note that when I break the rear light flashes and the rear section of the ring lights turn red. Also note that I turn off the rear light and both of the headlights. And although it's not in the video, you can turn off the ring lights too. So you can operate in total stealth mode if desired The actual colors for many of the ring light modes can be chosen via a color wheel. It's a very fun wheel to ride around at night with 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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