fbhb Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 44 minutes ago, mezzanine said: The production Z10 is going to be a much upgraded wheel. And who knows, maybe they'll be able to improve it even further a few months down the road with further firmware updates? I fully agree with your statement about the production Z10 being a much upgraded wheel. The two New control boards the Z10 uses have clearly noticeable additional components/changes made and runs a Newer Firmware too! I can't wait to be in a position to test it out for myself. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezzanine Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 1 hour ago, fbhb said: I fully agree with your statement about the production Z10 being a much upgraded wheel. The two New control boards the Z10 uses have clearly noticeable additional components/changes made and runs a Newer Firmware too! I can't wait to be in a position to test it out for myself. No question whatsoever that the Z10 is my next wheel. Couldn't be more psyched about it. Honestly, having just upgraded the firmware of my 18S, it feels like a completely new wheel. I'll never underestimate the difference firmware can make again, and the Z10 has hardware improvements beyond just the software. I have a feeling those who have rode the demo Z10 are going to be amazed at the difference when they receive their production model. The 18S is powerful enough now that I'm not sure I'd even want more torque if it was available in a future update. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steef Klonoa Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 @Marty Backe @houseofjob Hey guys, was wondering what you guys thought about road salts effecting the z10 as they are spread out on the road during winter. Do you think they would eat their way into the electronics and damage it? Also, does anyone know how cold the z10 can get? Is it able to be rolling around in below freezing temperatures? Thanks for all your reviews on these, great great info, very detailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, Steef Klonoa said: @Marty Backe @houseofjob Hey guys, was wondering what you guys thought about road salts effecting the z10 as they are spread out on the road during winter. Do you think they would eat their way into the electronics and damage it? Also, does anyone know how cold the z10 can get? Is it able to be rolling around in below freezing temperatures? Thanks for all your reviews on these, great great info, very detailed. All wheels are essentially the same in terms of operating in the cold and salt and ... I have no experience with either, so @houseofjob is better suited to answer you questions, in a wheel generic manner I would think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post houseofjob Posted August 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2018 @Steef Klonoa yes, salt & cold are not issues specific to just the Z10, they apply to all wheels. All EUC's are pretty safeguarded by the inner plastic housing facing the tire/motor assembly, so I wouldn't worry about salt infiltration, unless you're submerging your wheel in saltwater.... but you shouldn't be submerging your wheel anyways, salt or no salt. (the only concern there would be is the wheel motor housing and large tire-facing heatsink possibly rusting, but I imagine there might be some coating for that(?)) Freezing temperature is more about the lithium batteries and artificially reduced capacity. I'm sure you've experienced the phenomenon where cell phone batteries will show a reduced battery percentage meter, but then go back up when warming up indoors. If your battery is low enough in percentage and outside in freezing temps, your phone can shut off. EUC's are no different, as it is the same lithium ion battery tech. For freezing conditions, I would advise topping up the battery every chance you get, and limiting the durations of your trips between going indoors. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steef Klonoa Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 @houseofjob @marty backe Thank you for the response guys! I preordered the z10 on ewheels and hope to use it almost daily for my commute to work, so I'll be going as often as I can even when its colder out. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcglider Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Hey @Marty Backe I was just watching Chooch's video on the Z and he keeps referring to going over 30mph??? If I recall you were saying max top speed is 28mph?... I really don't need to go over 26 for my comfort zone right now but just trying to get a little clarification... Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, Marcglider said: Hey @Marty Backe I was just watching Chooch's video on the Z and he keeps referring to going over 30mph??? If I recall you were saying max top speed is 28mph?... I really don't need to go over 26 for my comfort zone right now but just trying to get a little clarification... Thanks The wheel cannot go over 28-mph. The Ninebot app even states that the maximum speed is 28-mph. I've published a couple of videos with on-screen telemetry that shows the top speed as ~28-mph. I don't know what Chooch is referring to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcglider Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Marty Backe said: The wheel cannot go over 28-mph. The Ninebot app even states that the maximum speed is 28-mph. I've published a couple of videos with on-screen telemetry that shows the top speed as ~28-mph. I don't know what Chooch is referring to Thanks... I guess U saw and know what I am referring to?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 16 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: The wheel cannot go over 28-mph. The Ninebot app even states that the maximum speed is 28-mph. I've published a couple of videos with on-screen telemetry that shows the top speed as ~28-mph. I don't know what Chooch is referring to Technically it could go much faster. I do want to be part of that ride.... Think of it as "going" downhill aka tumbling ?? @Marty Backe you live in an area with mountains right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Marcglider said: Hey @Marty Backe I was just watching Chooch's video on the Z and he keeps referring to going over 30mph??? If I recall you were saying max top speed is 28mph?... I really don't need to go over 26 for my comfort zone right now but just trying to get a little clarification... Thanks You can always ride past full tiltback / max beeps (Gotway), but you are riding blind, never know when the wheel will cutout from high speed cutout (based on power vs rider weight). So technically, yes, you can always ride higher than the stated max speed, but all of the EUC companies that don't let you disable tiltback (i.e. non-Gotway) are software-restricting your max speed sans tiltback to create a safety buffer. I've watched plenty of popular EUC YouTube channels where simply the wrong details are stated...... just saying. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted August 7, 2018 Author Share Posted August 7, 2018 27 minutes ago, houseofjob said: You can always ride past full tiltback / max beeps (Gotway), but you are riding blind, never know when the wheel will cutout from high speed cutout (based on power vs rider weight). So technically, yes, you can always ride higher than the stated max speed, but all of the EUC companies that don't let you disable tiltback (i.e. non-Gotway) are software-restricting your max speed sans tiltback to create a safety buffer. I've watched plenty of popular EUC YouTube channels where simply the wrong details are stated...... just saying. I guess technically maybe the Z10 could go 31-mph. You'd have to be riding a severe tilt-back, but even then I have my doubts. For the most part I should just bow out of any discussions of max speed because I don't much care for anything above 25-mph. The only reason I rode the Z10 to ~28-mph was because I didn't fear (maybe stupidly) a cut-out from the Ninebot. 1 hour ago, Unventor said: Technically it could go much faster. I do want to be part of that ride.... Think of it as "going" downhill aka tumbling ?? @Marty Backe you live in an area with mountains right? yes 1 hour ago, Marcglider said: Thanks... I guess U saw and know what I am referring to?? Do, I don't recall the specific video - I'm not sure if I've watched all of his Z10 videos. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: The wheel cannot go over 28-mph. The Ninebot app even states that the maximum speed is 28-mph. I've published a couple of videos with on-screen telemetry that shows the top speed as ~28-mph. I don't know what Chooch is referring to Maybe the Z10 did go over 28 mph until it became clutter with mud and duct tape. Are you sure all of the (his) crappy residue was entirely removed before your runs? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Tomorrow is mid-week....right? @Jason McNeil stated he’ll have some additional Z10 delivery info. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mmhmmm Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 On August 7, 2018 at 1:40 PM, Steef Klonoa said: @houseofjob @marty backe Thank you for the response guys! I preordered the z10 on ewheels and hope to use it almost daily for my commute to work, so I'll be going as often as I can even when its colder out. Hello, everyone. This is my first post. I've been reading for a long while, thank you for your hard work sharing information... Relevant to freezing temperatures, I have heard that people have had good luck with taping hand/foot warmers (chemical type) in places strategic to the batteries, so that they don't get too cold. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeRide Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 8/7/2018 at 5:21 PM, Rehab1 said: Tomorrow is mid-week....right? @Jason McNeil stated he’ll have some additional Z10 delivery info. Well.. the message went out. It's not all roses, but hope for some. I'm still a bit worried that Ninebot will have hardware changes that will not be in these first units. Do @Jason McNeilwe have any new information on that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted August 11, 2018 Share Posted August 11, 2018 For every wheel that I’ve seen the outside temperature range published, states it starting from -10•C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukasz Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) Due to specific Construction of Z10 its ability to ride in winter shall be better then for other Wheels because battery is much better insulated in the container inside the wheel so as long as you keep the wheel in the warm place and take it for the ride battery shall not freeze during the ride that much. But never keep your unicycle in the car or in any other cold place before the ride, run with low speeds and try not to accelerate qickly. Do not expect the same range. After the ride put the unicycle to room temperature for 2-4 hours before charging. Li-ion batteries love warm conditions... Edited August 15, 2018 by Lukasz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziiten Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 33 minutes ago, Lukasz said: Li-ion batteries love warm conditions... But not too warm. According to battery university they start to suffer (age) already when reaching temps like 30C. Also you should not charge them if the battery temp is below zero. However, the same source says that storage in cold does not age li-ion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gustesta Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 Ninebot Z10 charging problem. I came back from a short ride and after plugging in, the charger remains green - it should remain red. It's not charging and the battery is 44%. Does anyone know what is going on? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted August 18, 2018 Author Share Posted August 18, 2018 52 minutes ago, Gustesta said: Ninebot Z10 charging problem. I came back from a short ride and after plugging in, the charger remains green - it should remain red. It's not charging and the battery is 44%. Does anyone know what is going on? Time to see your dealer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Gustesta said: Ninebot Z10 charging problem. I came back from a short ride and after plugging in, the charger remains green - it should remain red. It's not charging and the battery is 44%. Does anyone know what is going on? idk, maybe the wheel has to cool down? pure guess. check the output voltage of the charger if you have a multimeter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Lee Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, novazeus said: idk, maybe the wheel has to cool down? pure guess. check the output voltage of the charger if you have a multimeter. You're right it's charging when @Gustesta brought it into air conditioned environment. All good for the first group ride tomorrow... Edited August 18, 2018 by Mark Lee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gustesta Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: Time to see your dealer I left the wheel to cool down and it's recharging again. I had to bring it inside the house (air conditioning). My garage was more than 100F. Edited August 18, 2018 by Gustesta 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gustesta Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 27 minutes ago, novazeus said: idk, maybe the wheel has to cool down? pure guess. check the output voltage of the charger if you have a multimeter. You nailed. I had to cool it down and it's charging normally now. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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