Shad0z Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 there is the standard 84Volt msuper x with 1600wh battery and then as of now only a few people have the msuper x 100Volt with 1200wh battery my budget is tight. What would i loose from a 84volt wheel compared to a 100volt and for me the big battery is also very important i need every little pro and con there could be with each Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegoxxx Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Same problem bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyTop Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 If money is tight and you like the distance of the 1600 it is a no brainer. Get the 84 volt. What is the advantage of the 100 volt at this point in time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 i want the bigger battery 1600 and the squishy 3"wheel , i do 25 miles just before work nearly every day 1 1/2 to 2 hours riding so on my days off i want to ride alot more . i don't care for top speed much, 25 mph+ would be fine if i needed it , i think the 84v would handle most hills and terain so for me it's the range i need more ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad0z Posted July 6, 2018 Author Share Posted July 6, 2018 2 hours ago, RockyTop said: If money is tight and you like the distance of the 1600 it is a no brainer. Get the 84 volt. What is the advantage of the 100 volt at this point in time? I think the 100v would give more power to the motor. And maybe less stress on the mosfets?? But im really not sure. i would think less current needed with higher voltage. but i think 84v should be sufficient. But you gotra keep speculating. What am i missing out on with a 84volt? And is it even worth it to bother with a 100volt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyTop Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 The power should be the same. Posible slight torque vs top speed differences. Your top speed is controlled by a software set limit so the torque of the 84v would be better. The voltage would lower the amps and increase contamination shorting. We are only talking about 16 volts. It is not really any better or worse. The larger battery on the 84v is an advantage. In the future wheels might be 200 volts but you will not really be able to tell any difference. (Smoother ride) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad0z Posted July 6, 2018 Author Share Posted July 6, 2018 2 hours ago, RockyTop said: The power should be the same. Posible slight torque vs top speed differences. Your top speed is controlled by a software set limit so the torque of the 84v would be better. The voltage would lower the amps and increase contamination shorting. We are only talking about 16 volts. It is not really any better or worse. The larger battery on the 84v is an advantage. In the future wheels might be 200 volts but you will not really be able to tell any difference. (Smoother ride) i thought maybe one pro of 100v would be less amps and thereby harder to reach the limit of the mosfets. But i think thats almost impossible with the ones mounted in the msuper x. 84volt it is! Thanks to you all for answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 While the decision seems to be made, worth mentioning that someone wrote the 100V already having some reliability issues. I’ll try to find the comment from the other threads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad0z Posted July 6, 2018 Author Share Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, mrelwood said: While the decision seems to be made, worth mentioning that someone wrote the 100V already having some reliability issues. I’ll try to find the comment from the other threads. this just makes me even more know what to decide. And as soon as i see the price of the 100volt i will have my decision made for me anyways. ? Edited July 6, 2018 by Shad0z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrelwood Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Shad0z said: And as soon as i see the price of the 100vol $2100USD, although it was $1900 a while ago. Aliexpress prices do tend to fluctuate. So same or close to the 84V 1600Wh. http://s.aliexpress.com/uMvIVvI3?fromSns=ColorNote Here’s the comment on fried 100V boards. Just a rumor so far, but I trust Scatcat 100% in that that’s what he was told. Edited July 6, 2018 by mrelwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad0z Posted July 7, 2018 Author Share Posted July 7, 2018 4 hours ago, mrelwood said: $2100USD, although it was $1900 a while ago. Aliexpress prices do tend to fluctuate. So same or close to the 84V 1600Wh. http://s.aliexpress.com/uMvIVvI3?fromSns=ColorNote Here’s the comment on fried 100V boards. Just a rumor so far, but I trust Scatcat 100% in that that’s what he was told. for now im choosing the 84v until i hear anything else. interesting to see the price about the same. but for me my budget is like a laser pointer. I can maybe just manage to get money for it. But 50 dollars more and its one month more. Plus 200dollars and im off by a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainu Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Has anyone made a direct comparison yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sacristan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainu Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Oh, thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Sacristan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I was just reading it when I saw your post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegoxxx Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 my wheels have msuperX 100v 2000wh and monster 100v 3000wh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benphysics Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 So diegoxxx, where did you get your msuperX 100v 2000wh? Can a US citizen order one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diegoxxx Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HippoPig Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 I went for the 84 (currently in German customs before coming to me hopefully end of next week, hopefully). seems marginal improvement on torque over the 100v and marginally lower top speed. Differences in top speed don’t matter to me once you’re over 30mph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchtape Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Over the course of a month I've gone from marvelling at the power of my MSX to hitting the 3rd alarm any time I want to go fast. Can't wait for bigger better 100v systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUCGUY Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 48 minutes ago, scotchtape said: Over the course of a month I've gone from marvelling at the power of my MSX to hitting the 3rd alarm any time I want to go fast. Can't wait for bigger better 100v systems. Go faster. 5 beeps a second is max. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchtape Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Lol, I can't really hear them so I assume it's the 5 beeps. I turned my music up today and hit 55. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 51 minutes ago, scotchtape said: Lol, I can't really hear them so I assume it's the 5 beeps. I turned my music up today and hit 55. Haha. We really need vibration warnings (like a phone) instead of (or in addition to) the beeps. They can't be easily missed like beeps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliott Reitz Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Engineering perspective: since the controller uses (as far as I know) Pulse Width Modulation (PWM) to control power output... the max torque/hp capability exists with 100V, not the 84V. The software may have the same top-speed limit (depending on software), and the 84V batteries with higher WH per cost will result in longer ranges. If the WH were the same for either 100V vs 84V, then the 100V would have longer range and more power. As for failures in controllers with 100V batteries, there is less "design margin" for things like reverse-EMF and heat dissipation, so yes failure rates should also be higher with the 100V battery in the same system. I'm also consdering this choice... reliability matters to me, as does performance... my ninebot one e+ isn't as fast as my Siberian Husky (his top is about 28mph). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 The 84V MSX has a bit more torque than the 100V MSX, in exchange for a lower top speed. There haven't been any reported reliability differences. The MSX is probably the most solid wheel currently available! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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