Ninebot.run Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, trevmar said: Yes, I know this is a bit off-topic, but nothing is happening on the "Russian Hack" as far as I can see. No details on what is supposed to do have been posted, just the videos... We need some reviews, please... (I am especially interested in hill-climbing ability) Well, it's not so easy for us to make cool video review, especially for English-speaking people. The only video we have about SwallowBot is all about speed limit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w0fvGJLBgo We can try to film something useful, but, it is autumn in Russia... The weather is not so great. By the way, check out this one. https://youtu.be/qIOwC-n1q8 Xiaomi Ninebot mini, full "original" version. No firmware, no larger tires, just our master Ivan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevmar Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Ninebot.run said: Well, it's not so easy for us to make cool video review, especially for English-speaking people.By the way, check out this one. https://youtu.be/qIOwC-n1q8 Xiaomi Ninebot mini, full "original" version. No firmware, no larger tires, just our master Ivan Yes, it is amazing what some MiniPRO will do. But none of my four MiniPROs work as well as that, even with firmware 1.1.7. There is no way they could be coaxed to perform that well. Mine cuts off and throws the rider forward from the 1" bump at the end of our driveway. I was thrown forward from a single 1" pebble on a well-kept dirt road and badly twisted my ankle. I think that the "safe" firmware sold in the USA is greatly reduced in peak power. I am hoping that Swallowbot will give me at least the same performance as Ivan demonstrates But I have no idea if it will. No specifications have been published, Alexander has not even described exactly what Swallowbot does. That would be far more valuable than a video Edited October 9, 2018 by trevmar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_from_NZ Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 25 minutes ago, Ninebot.run said: Well, it's not so easy for us to make cool video review, especially for English-speaking people. The only video we have about SwallowBot is all about speed limit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w0fvGJLBgo We can try to film something useful, but, it is autumn in Russia... The weather is not so great. By the way, check out this one. https://youtu.be/qIOwC-n1q8 Xiaomi Ninebot mini, full "original" version. No firmware, no larger tires, just our master Ivan Very cool video! I really hope the firmware is available soon to be either j-tag flashed or updated via Bluetooth. ????? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninebot.run Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 56 minutes ago, trevmar said: Yes, I know this is a bit off-topic, but nothing is happening on the "Russian Hack" as far as I can see. No details on what is supposed to do have been posted, just the videos... We need some reviews, please... (I am especially interested in hill-climbing ability) For now i can only tell, that Alexey and Alexandr are working on Android app. They're trying to improve security and thinks about "how to receve money for our firmware and don't let it be stolen". Because a lot of work has been done already, a lot of time has been spent... I understand, that i don't give all of you enough information about SwallowBot. I asked Alexey and now waiting for answer from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_from_NZ Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Ninebot.run said: For now i can only tell, that Alexey and Alexandr are working on Android app. They're trying to improve security and thinks about "how to receve money for our firmware and don't let it be stolen". Because a lot of work has been done already, a lot of time has been spent... I understand, that i don't give all of you enough information about SwallowBot. I asked Alexey and now waiting for answer from him. I understand that completely, please know as another Alex though I would never hurt another Alex. If you release me a version of the software I promise to keep it safe ?? Is either Alex the same AlexNZ from thingiverse?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninebot.run Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Alexey - @WEagle95, Alexandr - @MRN76 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevmar Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 Both Alexey and Alexander are doing an amazing job! But the $200 I am about to spend to get Swallowbot mostly goes to the motherboard supplier, not to them. As for security, they themselves have cracked Ninebot's security, of course somebody is going to crack whatever Swallowbot puts in place! The key thing is to be visible in the community, so that the $200 I will need to pay to get Swallowbot goes fully into their pockets. Additionally, few are going to pirate their firmware if they continue to make improvements. Buying it is an investment in our collective future. Yesterday I was installing a new version of the Segway Android app in my phone, and it asked me to confirm that it was to be used in the USA region. I was just thinking maybe the app signals the firmware in some way to turn on the restrictive rules that are making my MiniPRO such a pain, by comparison with the Russian videos! Is Swallowbot going to perform the same when talking with a USA app as when talking with a Russian app? There do seem to be Geographic factors in the app.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceMartian Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ninebot.run said: Well, it's not so easy for us to make cool video review, especially for English-speaking people. The only video we have about SwallowBot is all about speed limit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9w0fvGJLBgo We can try to film something useful, but, it is autumn in Russia... The weather is not so great. By the way, check out this one. https://youtu.be/qIOwC-n1q8 Xiaomi Ninebot mini, full "original" version. No firmware, no larger tires, just our master Ivan As soon as I get my motherboard I will post some English videos showing off the ShallowBot firmware.? Edited October 9, 2018 by AceMartian More information 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceMartian Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 (edited) And let everybody know where to get it. Edited October 9, 2018 by AceMartian Delete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceMartian Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 @Ninebot.run Is there any other apps that will work with the ShallowBot firmware yet? Or just the Segway app. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninebot.run Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 15 hours ago, AceMartian said: @Ninebot.run Is there any other apps that will work with the ShallowBot firmware yet? Or just the Segway app. Depends of what do you want to do with the app. Many of our clients uses Darkness Bot. For the best speed and milage accuracy indication you must use GPS tracking programms. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marius Boye Hansen Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 @Ninebot.run Could you please provide contact information on how to buy a reprogrammed motherboard etc? I would really like to upgrade my minipro. If I understand the posts correctly it might be better to wait for the android APP that will be able to reprogram without touching the hardware? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugu Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 A Swallowbot proprietary original app to flash our mini WOULD BE the hoped and cleaner solution 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRK Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/9/2018 at 6:07 AM, trevmar said: Yes, it is amazing what some MiniPRO will do. But none of my four MiniPROs work as well as that, even with firmware 1.1.7. There is no way they could be coaxed to perform that well. Mine cuts off and throws the rider forward from the 1" bump at the end of our driveway. I was thrown forward from a single 1" pebble on a well-kept dirt road and badly twisted my ankle. I think that the "safe" firmware sold in the USA is greatly reduced in peak power. I am hoping that Swallowbot will give me at least the same performance as Ivan demonstrates But I have no idea if it will. No specifications have been published, Alexander has not even described exactly what Swallowbot does. That would be far more valuable than a video Interesting. I drive over bumps all the time.... mostly on city streets here in LA.... without issue. Sometimes I am even shocked that it can handle them considering how large they are. I never give them a second thought anymore really. Looking formward to updates! Great work so far! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeRide Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 36 minutes ago, IRK said: Interesting. I drive over bumps all the time.... mostly on city streets here in LA.... without issue. Sometimes I am even shocked that it can handle them considering how large they are. I never give them a second thought anymore really. Looking formward to updates! Great work so far! +1 if I'm paying attention I have no problem going over good sized rock or sticks. I pay attention and use the right speed for the terrain, the only time i"ve got into trouble was when I was not paying attention and trying to do two things and once while moving. Pretty amazed at hoe the minipro handles things. Still I'm very much aware of what can happen if one wheel has more traction that the other for more than a brief interval, and I try to keep both wheels on the same plane, and reduce weight on any one that might ben encountering a larger object that it needs to over come that the other wheel is not going to also be affected by. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevmar Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Thanks FreeRide and IRK. The problem I am having is that the roads in my vicinity are very steep, even the off-road dirt tracks, and the MiniPRO really is having trouble staying upright on them. When it gives up it cuts out, throwing the rider's weight forward, and then a few seconds later starts again and runs into the riders feet (or body, if you have fallen over). The MiniPRO were unusable until activated, and dangerous during the first 50Km, but seem to be much more stable now. But I am going to try a hardware tweak to give the motors more peak power, just like Alexei does with his Xiaomi scooter software, trading hardware safety for rider safety :) Will report what I find... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_from_NZ Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 48 minutes ago, trevmar said: Thanks FreeRide and IRK. The problem I am having is that the roads in my vicinity are very steep, even the off-road dirt tracks, and the MiniPRO really is having trouble staying upright on them. When it gives up it cuts out, throwing the rider's weight forward, and then a few seconds later starts again and runs into the riders feet (or body, if you have fallen over). The MiniPRO were unusable until activated, and dangerous during the first 50Km, but seem to be much more stable now. But I am going to try a hardware tweak to give the motors more peak power, just like Alexei does with his Xiaomi scooter software, trading hardware safety for rider safety Will report what I find... Something sounds not right with your experience. Differs greatly from everyone else.. What is the hardware tweak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevmar Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Alex_from_NZ said: Something sounds not right with your experience. Differs greatly from everyone else.. What is the hardware tweak? Yes, something is not right. I have been waiting for somebody to give me comparative speeds up hills (I started a topic on that) but nobody else seems to be operating in a hilly environment. All I can do is compare the four units I (and my wife) bought. At least we got them at a good price (the two NM320 were factory refurbished). They all behave the same, except that two are not to the 50Km mark yet, and this has been a problem. We will now make sure they all get to the 50Km mark before doing any more riding (it is a challenge to find a flat surface to run the miles safely, but a local main road does have bicycle tracks, I have been using that). We got trapped at low mileage as both of us were thrown at the 2cm ledge at the bottom of our driveway. so we have only been riding infrequently. I was thrown so badly the first time we rode in our local park that I couldn't walk for a week, and comfortable walking took over a month to come back. It's 3 months on now, and I am able to ride comfortably now, but I am spending most of my time making sure I understand the safety issues with the MiniPRO on hills, because it is only marginally safe up and down our local streets here, typically beeping/pushback at 8-10Km/h up and 18Km/h down. Later on we will try off-road again... Hardware tweak is to drop the PWM motor-current-sense resistors on the mother board to 67% of their OEM value, and see what parameters of the ride change. That change should increase the maximum current being fed to the motors to 150% of design max, and thus reduce the safety margins the engineers designed to protect the battery pack. That's fine, however, the current is still within battery spec. I have tested my batteries thoroughly, and will keep a very close eye on them while they age. In any case, maybe I will only need 20% or so, I won't know until I try it... (Alexei apparently overpowers the motor in his M365 firmware). Edited October 11, 2018 by trevmar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninebot.run Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 19 hours ago, Marius Boye Hansen said: @Ninebot.run Could you please provide contact information on how to buy a reprogrammed motherboard etc? I would really like to upgrade my minipro. If I understand the posts correctly it might be better to wait for the android APP that will be able to reprogram without touching the hardware? Hi! If you want to buy a motherboard with preinstalled SwallowBot - simply write me a letter to info@ninebot.run. About Android App - we don't know when it will be released. This year or next year. Developers can't say me anything specific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevmar Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 6 hours ago, Ninebot.run said: This year or next year. Developers can't say me anything specific. Can you give us progress info on Swallowbot, as neither Alexei or Alexander seem to be posting progress here. If we buy the programmed motherboard, how uo-to-date will the Swallowbot on it be? How will we upgrade that version when improvements are made to Swallowbot? I am particularly interested in progress on this item listed on mimod.ru's Russian language Swallowbot page, and not its English page. It is: "- remove the penalties for speeding and driving over bumps at all (warning of excess power and short-term penalties for this will remain, is not safe without them)" I would guess that penalties for "excess power" are killing me on the hills. Pushing back at 11Km/h is really hard for me to adjust to. When I ride slowly it tends to occasionally surge to 12-13Kph, and being tipped back all the time is really bad news on a hill (sometimes hard to retain your balance). The speed is even lower once the battery gets to 50%... And what is this about a penalty for riding over 'bumps'?? Ninebot should have realized that is often not under the rider's control... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRN76 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 On 10/3/2018 at 2:54 AM, AceMartian said: I'm about to order a motherboard with the firmware already installed.? Motherboard is expensive. I purchased several processors, and upload modified firmware to them. I put on ebay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeRide Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, MRN76 said: Motherboard is expensive. I purchased several processors, and upload modified firmware to them. I put on ebay Do you think that chip can be soldered with a fine tip on a standard pencil, or does one need to flow solder it? Do you know the name of that chip packaging so I can look up soldering tips? Looks like that is the LQFP64 package, correct? Edited October 14, 2018 by FreeRide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRN76 Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 Just now, FreeRide said: Do you think that chip can be soldered with a fine tip on a standard pencil, or does one need to flow solder it? Do you know the name of that chip packaging so I can look up soldering tips? STM32F103RC, LQFP64, It is better to find a friend who knows how to solder. trevmar made an order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeRide Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 25 minutes ago, MRN76 said: STM32F103RC, LQFP64, It is better to find a friend who knows how to solder. trevmar made an order. Thanks. I think I can do it, just have to dig out some tools from a past life. I have to run out, but later when I can find my device number I will order one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevmar Posted October 14, 2018 Share Posted October 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, FreeRide said: Thanks. I think I can do it, just have to dig out some tools from a past life. It's not too bad. But there is a gunk covering it for water-protection that will have to be removed, and getting the chip off without harming the traces under the chip is going to be a challenge. But LQP64 is usually OK with an air-gun and soldering iron. I cheat by using a low-temperature solder paste when mounting these packages to an already soldered board, and I usually snip off the leads to the current CPU before desoldering (this protects the PCB traces). So there will be no going back for me...!! Edited October 14, 2018 by trevmar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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