Which did you choose and why? KS18L, MSuper X, Z10!

[novazeus]

5 minutes ago, thefork said:

Ok, I guess that could be something that Jason at ewheels did before sending my V5F+ along. Or maybe they (InMotion) have changed their routines between then and now.

yeah, maybe for air shipping.

[mrelwood]

3 minutes ago, Xoltri said:

• Handle had to be replaced after a year as it wouldn't retract.
• One of the speakers stopped working.  The wire was pinched in the shell and had to be resoldered.
• That damn "Hello Kingsong"!!

• As any parts moving against eachother, the handle telescopic system needs oil the latest when it starts feeling rough. Mine works as new after a lot of use during the 8500km.
• A wire being pinched between the shell is an assembly issue. Did it happen before or after you took the wheel apart yourself?
• The announcement was removed from 16S with the firmware 1.02 about a year ago.

I do agree on the other points though. Still, the cabling in Msuper X for example is a mess, and not properly supported making crucial connectors and cables free to vibrate while you ride. And the pedal arms being attached with a single large nut requires tightening more often than the bolts in a KS.

I too own a KS16(S), and ordered the Msuper X. I’m sure we will find a few shockers regarding build quality.

[joku]

Aren't you afraid of the gotway? Why are you willing to take the risk now?

[Xoltri]

The plastic mechanism within the handle broke.  It wasn't an oil issue. Left me somewhat stranded once as I had to ride home with the handle half open.  The speaker wire could've been my fault, it's really difficult to route it while assembling.

[Xoltri]

5 minutes ago, joku said:

Aren't you afraid of the gotway? Why are you willing to take the risk now?

I believe that they have taken steps to address the quality concerns.

[that0n3guy]

I really like the idea of the msuperx.  I'm not scared to fix my own device (I build an electric mountain board in 2004 for example) and I usually like leading edge tech.   Plus the price per battery size is good.  So I should be a prime candidate   I even like squishy peddles... but did NOT choose it because:

• I don't need the extra battery or weight
• I don't like the non-centered trolly
• Gotways failure rates that Jason (ewheels) mentioned (I don't know where the post is) and the echodrift posted (here)...   This shows it doesn't matter if you put in better mosfets (like in the msx).   It shows a business systems issue.   They could turn around the QA stats in a single product launch though, maybe the msx is it!  I'll just wait for it.
• inmotion and ks seems to be more conservative on the software side of things.   Based on my personality in doing unsafe things, I want to restrict myself from being able to have lapses in judgement when going fast.  The throttling as the battery decreases sucks... but it makes sense from a safety standpoint.

[mrelwood]

23 minutes ago, joku said:

Aren't you afraid of the gotway? Why are you willing to take the risk now?

Yes I am. I feel like I might’ve made a huge mistake that might cost me permanent damage to what’s left of my mobility. But it’s the only model that fits my requirements well. I plan to disassemble and examine the wheel thoroughly before use, and even in time I trust my own repairs more than others’.

17 minutes ago, Xoltri said:

I believe that they have taken steps to address the quality concerns.

And this. Every clear design error that has caused the common issues that I’m aware of have been addressed or I can address myself.

I’m still far from recommending a GW, we’ll see if that changes once I get mine.

[UniVehje]

2 hours ago, thefork said:

Ok, I guess that could be something that Jason at ewheels did before sending my V5F+ along. Or maybe they (InMotion) have changed their routines between then and now.

InMotion has option to disable the wheel in the app. 

[WARPed1701D]

12 minutes ago, UniVehje said:

InMotion has option to disable the wheel in the app. 

This is new to the V10. Doesn't work on the V8. I tried.

[Jerome]

3 hours ago, Xoltri said:

For me it was between the KS18L or the MSuper X.  I wanted the wider tire and the extra battery so I chose the MSuperX.  I like long cruises so I'm hoping the combination of the wide larger tire will be more comfortable. 

Previously I never would've bought a Gotway wheel but I feel that they've addressed a lot of the quality concerns people have in this wheel.  I guess time will tell.  Everyone here says the KS18L build quality is much better than the MSuperX but the Kingsong is still using wood screws on some of the shell.  As someone who has taken apart my KS16 about 30 times now for various issues I can tell you that those screws in plastic are not best practice.  I've had to use a soldering iron to re-form several of the pegs so the screws would take hold again.  The MSuperX is using metal inserts so this should not be an issue.

Other issues I've had with my Kingsong:

1. Cracked axles (they replaced the motor with an improved version under warranty, granted, but I had to shell out for new pillars as the old ones were incompatible).
2. Pillars coming loose and scraping the motor as there was no locktite on the screws.
3. Alarm beeper stopped working about 6 months in.  Although I like it off anyway.
4. Handle had to be replaced after a year as it wouldn't retract.
5. One of the speakers stopped working.  The wire was pinched in the shell and had to be resoldered.
6. One of the pedals cracked down the side.  Luckily didn't cause me to wipe out.  Had to be replaced out of pocket.
7. That damn "Hello Kingsong"!!!

Don't get me wrong, I love my Kingsong, but I'm just not seeing the superior build quality everyone assumes on here and the KS18L is more of the same.  I always say brand loyalty is for suckers, so it's time to try something new.

The earlier King Songs were not known for super quality and reliability in general. They were better than early Gotways for sure, but I wouldn't say better than the Inmotions and Ninebot E+. Actually only the "recent" 14D(S), 16S, 18S have made the King Song reputation that is being evangelize on this forum.  I ordered a KS18L for reasons posted elsewhere. I suspect the first production runs of all the "new"  models are likely to have some problems. It doesn't matter what the brand name is "some of us" are going to get a lemon. I feel "brand loyalist" tend to minimize their problems or go on the offense and compare the brand's lower rate of problems with other brand(s). I will not be like the casino gamblers who only report their winnings. I have no brand loyalty whatsoever. I will call it like I see it. I suspect that you will make out as well with your MSX as I will with the KS18L Safe Riding!

[RockyTop]

I learned on a KS16s.   I named the thing Rex (wrecks).   I have jumped off of it at about 5mph at LEAST 50 times.  One time I landed on it and rode it on it’s side like a snow board for 10 feet.   It has very few noticeable scratches.  My MSuper was leaning against a truck tire and fell over.   I looks like it fell out of the back of a truck at 50 mph.  Don’t get me wrong I love the thing it just does not take damage well.  It is top heavy and square.  If I had to rent Wheels to the general public I would rent out KingSong while enjoying my GotWay.

[alcatraz]

On 6/20/2018 at 11:22 PM, Marty Backe said:

For other peoples edification, the owner of any Gotway wheel can turn on the tilt-back to the maximum speed that they desire to ride at. No cutout. Easy peasy as they say.

Gotway wheels can be configured just as safe as any of the speed throttling wheels out there (KingSong, Inmotion, etc). If the owner doesn't have the self-control to enable such features, that's their poor judgement not Gotway's. My opinion of course.

The 18L looks like a fantastic wheel. I'm a distance guy so that's why it's not on my personal must-buy list.

Hi Marty

What about the rather important max speed reduction as the battery depletes? Is it possible to somehow have the wheel tiltback differently as the battery depletes? (I think this is a firmware thing in most wheels, that can't be disabled.)

I'm afraid I won't hear the beeps so I'd prefer using mild tiltbacks for the feedback.

The MsX looks like my wheel but I'm afraid I will ride in traffic and not hear the beeps or notice I'm in low battery. I'd also like to adjust some kind of temperature warning, preferably with beeps and tiltback after a certain point. Is that possible?

Unrelated I'd like to ask any of you. If the motor is the same wattage as the old msuper, how is it the new one is so much faster? Just because of the new mosfets? New one cuts out at 79km/h when lifted up. I think the old is around 68km/h.

[RockyTop]

19 minutes ago, alcatraz said:

Hi Marty

What about the rather important max speed reduction as the battery depletes? Is it possible to somehow have the wheel tiltback differently as the battery depletes? (I think this is a firmware thing in most wheels, that can't be disabled.)

I'm afraid I won't hear the beeps so I'd prefer using mild tiltbacks for the feedback.

The MsX looks like my wheel but I'm afraid I will ride in traffic and not hear the beeps or notice I'm in low battery. I'd also like to adjust some kind of temperature warning, preferably with beeps and tiltback after a certain point. Is that possible?

Unrelated I'd like to ask any of you. If the motor is the same wattage as the old msuper, how is it the new one is so much faster? Just because of the new mosfets? New one cuts out at 79km/h when lifted up. I think the old is around 68km/h.

I like the newest software for the GotWay tilt.  You can ride the edge of the tilt.  When you go over your set speed it SLOWLY tilts up and when you are below the speed it SLOWLY tilts back down.  If you slow down as soon as it starts to tilt it hardly tilts at all giving you the ability to ride the edge of the tilt without worrying.  I like it better than the beep.  I could never hear the beep.  I can not do that with my KS16s but the 18L is said to have a “slow tilt”. I am not sure if it is like the new GotWay. 

[The Fat Unicyclist]

On ‎6‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 10:50 AM, RayRay said:

 

Expect consistently inconsistent weather all summer... (Hot but wet.)

 

Enjoy that.. I rode to work today (the day after the southern hemisphere's winter solstice)… With a temperature of 3°C (that's 37°F) and didn't even see the sun for the first half of the trip!

Actually, it would be interesting to see @Marty Backe do a range test in these conditions... Just to see if he lasts as long as his battery!   

[Marty Backe]

2 hours ago, The Fat Unicyclist said:

Enjoy that.. I rode to work today (the day after the southern hemisphere's winter solstice)… With a temperature of 3°C (that's 37°F) and didn't even see the sun for the first half of the trip!

Actually, it would be interesting to see @Marty Backe do a range test in these conditions... Just to see if he lasts as long as his battery!   

You'll never see me riding a wheel with the temp below 15°C 

[Xoltri]

 

14 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

You'll never see me riding a wheel with the temp below 15°C 

That's literally t-shirt and shorts weather up here!

[Marty Backe]

14 hours ago, alcatraz said:

Hi Marty

What about the rather important max speed reduction as the battery depletes? Is it possible to somehow have the wheel tiltback differently as the battery depletes? (I think this is a firmware thing in most wheels, that can't be disabled.)

I'm afraid I won't hear the beeps so I'd prefer using mild tiltbacks for the feedback.

The MsX looks like my wheel but I'm afraid I will ride in traffic and not hear the beeps or notice I'm in low battery. I'd also like to adjust some kind of temperature warning, preferably with beeps and tiltback after a certain point. Is that possible?

Unrelated I'd like to ask any of you. If the motor is the same wattage as the old msuper, how is it the new one is so much faster? Just because of the new mosfets? New one cuts out at 79km/h when lifted up. I think the old is around 68km/h.

It's not a perfect world. If you're the kind of guy that's always going to be riding at the edge of max speed, you'll going to have problems with the warning sounds.

Usually you get to learn how your wheel behaves or you anticipate how it behaves after building up experience riding wheels under varying degrees. For Gotway I know that I can do pretty much anything I want through the first 50-percent of the battery. Then I know that the max speed is reduced and I avoid the higher speeds.

But most of my fast riding is 20 to 22 mph and that's a safe zone for modern Gotway wheels through most of their battery range. My WheelLog is configured to keep me below 26-mph, and I always feel the buzzing on my wrist when I hit that speed.

If I were someone who liked to ride at the edge, just below the 3rd alarm speeds, I'd probably replace the built-in buzzer with a louder one, or mount it external so that I could always here it.

It's my understanding that the MSuper X initiates a very slight tilt-back when the 3rd alarm kicks-in. I'll have to wait for mine to see if that's true.

[Baxtah]

I'm new to the Electric Unicycle Forum, this will be my first post.

I was not a member prior to my pre-sale purchase of a SK - 18L matte black.

My back ground starts with BMX racing, I once raced in a sidecar as the monkey, road bikes, mountain bikes, dirtbikes, Inline skating, skiing, surfing, skateboard, Harley FXDLI, ninebot elite and may end with a SK - 18L. EUC at my young age 52 years old.

I knew that I wanted a product that didn't limit reasonable speed (25mph, in my uneducated opinion). And that had a powerful enough motor to operate the complex task of balancing my 220 lb. frame.

I wanted to purchase from a company that had a good reputation, that was willing to push speed boundaries with a good safety record that would assure my wife I would be home for dinner.

I watched every youtube video I could find re: all of the models, and came to the realization that a KS-16S was the best for me, and still do.

But after watching Marty's Drones and Electric Unicycles as well as Eddie Moy's Eddie Moy Videos on the KS-18L I decided that the larger wheel, and stronger motor allowing for faster and safer top speeds, and predicting it maybe more suitable with my needs once I become a skilled rider.

Gotway was the only other manufacture I thought about purchasing from. Ninebot was not considered due to my the speed restriction on my Elite to only 12mph. without any way to increase the speed restrictions now or in the near future. My wife and I ride together and with the weight difference, she's always 2 mph faster... so at times it can be frustrating, specially when she's upset, married guy's may get this.

I do not know if I would have made the same decision after reading the well thought out posts left from to the best of my knowledge, the leading minds to guide future purchases in the electric unicycle universe.

I hope this is the first of many EUC purchase, and what I've read from some of you, I'm not alone to think the KS-18L is one of the top electric unicycles available today.   Thank you all for you well thought out criticisms of the ECU's from ninebot, Gotway and Kingsong. Your helping to make the industry safer, and hopefully more fun for all (note: I associate fun with speed).

 

 

[eddiemoy]

5 hours ago, Baxtah said:

I'm new to the Electric Unicycle Forum, this will be my first post.

I was not a member prior to my pre-sale purchase of a SK - 18L matte black.

My back ground starts with BMX racing, I once raced in a sidecar as the monkey, road bikes, mountain bikes, dirtbikes, Inline skating, skiing, surfing, skateboard, Harley FXDLI, ninebot elite and may end with a SK - 18L. EUC at my young age 52 years old.

I knew that I wanted a product that didn't limit reasonable speed (25mph, in my uneducated opinion). And that had a powerful enough motor to operate the complex task of balancing my 220 lb. frame.

I wanted to purchase from a company that had a good reputation, that was willing to push speed boundaries with a good safety record that would assure my wife I would be home for dinner.

I watched every youtube video I could find re: all of the models, and came to the realization that a KS-16S was the best for me, and still do.

But after watching Marty's Drones and Electric Unicycles as well as Eddie Moy's Eddie Moy Videos on the KS-18L I decided that the larger wheel, and stronger motor allowing for faster and safer top speeds, and predicting it maybe more suitable with my needs once I become a skilled rider.

Gotway was the only other manufacture I thought about purchasing from. Ninebot was not considered due to my the speed restriction on my Elite to only 12mph. without any way to increase the speed restrictions now or in the near future. My wife and I ride together and with the weight difference, she's always 2 mph faster... so at times it can be frustrating, specially when she's upset, married guy's may get this.

I do not know if I would have made the same decision after reading the well thought out posts left from to the best of my knowledge, the leading minds to guide future purchases in the electric unicycle universe.

I hope this is the first of many EUC purchase, and what I've read from some of you, I'm not alone to think the KS-18L is one of the top electric unicycles available today.   Thank you all for you well thought out criticisms of the ECU's from ninebot, Gotway and Kingsong. Your helping to make the industry safer, and hopefully more fun for all (note: I associate fun with speed).

 

 

Congrats!  You will definitely not be disappointed unless you get lemon.  Although I like the torque of the 16" more than the 18", I think for high speed cruising nothing beats the stability of a bigger wheel.  If you are not into tricks and just love riding, then the 18L is perfect for you.  Though you might think the 200km riding before you unlock is a pain in the butt, it is really for your own good.  200km on the wheel is really 133km which is ~83miles before unlock.  It really doesn't take that long to get a piece of mind that your wheel is good.

If you haven't learned yet, it might be a little harder to learn on the 18", I think the perfect size for adults to learn is the 16".  For those who are 8 and younger, I found it easier for them to learn on a 14".  Just physics.

Goodluck.  I thnk Marty's channel isn't Drones and ElectricUnicycles.

[joku]

@eddiemoy since you like the 16" wheel, would you recommend the tesla over the 18l? 

[eddiemoy]

45 minutes ago, joku said:

@eddiemoy since you like the 16" wheel, would you recommend the tesla over the 18l? 

I feel that 16 and 18” wheels are too different.  And I would recommend based on need.  The way I see it is the 18” wheels are for high speed cruising.  Will feel more stable than the 16” wheels.  

Tesla would feel more zippy and less stable at high speeds.  Depends on what you prefer.  

[Marty Backe]

2 hours ago, joku said:

@eddiemoy since you like the 16" wheel, would you recommend the tesla over the 18l? 

As @eddiemoy says. I think most people would recommend a good 16-inch wheel as the core of your collection or the only wheel if you can only have one wheel. It does everything very nicely.

[FlyboyEUC]

Any updates from the people that were waiting for orders to come through? It sounds like people have been having battery issues with the 18L.

[Unventor]

I chose the KS18L due to it ticked most boxes I want different from my Inmotion v8 (my first EUC), and ...

A )  MonsterX is a Gotway (not trusting it, a personal opinion from reading on internet, never had or rode one yet).

B ) Z10 is not available yet in EU (legal to sell in EU due to no CE approval, yet)

[Gadgetfann]

I chose the KS18L after reading posts about poor build quality with Gotway wheels.  However, after seeing the video of the MSX pushing a car around, I’m not sure my concerns were justified and it seems like a fine wheel.  I’m pretty sure  my KS18L is more wheel than I’ll ever need for long distance riding, so no reason for me to get an MSX now.  I completed a 35 mile ride on the 18L a few days ago and it performed flawlessly, but didn’t inspire a lot of confidence on grass, dirt and sand, which is why I’m also getting a Z10 for off-road use.