houseofjob Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, Turbocharged said: A note for you, I have just talked to a Ninebot engineer, he said "There is no English instruction while pushing firmware update for Zs via APP, they may experience some weird behavior" So, if you guys do update Z's firmware, have a Chinese friends explain procedures/adjustments necessary after an update. Do you know if the latest update is safe for riding? I've been scared to update because of past Ninebot One 16" experiences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharged Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, houseofjob said: Do you know if the latest update is safe for riding? I've been scared to update because of past Ninebot One 16" experiences. The only problem we know is, it might affect bluetooth speakers, ie. you can't hear warnings and music clearly, other than that, no safety problem as far as I know, all updates are safe, and now the public beta is over, firmwares are quite stable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Turbocharged said: The only problem we know is, it might affect bluetooth speakers, ie. you can't hear warnings and music clearly, other than that, no safety problem as far as I know, all updates are safe, and now the public beta is over, firmwares are quite stable. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post houseofjob Posted June 9, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Turbocharged said: A note for you, I have just talked to a Ninebot engineer, he said "There is no English instruction while pushing firmware update for Zs via APP, they may experience some weird behavior" So, if you guys do update Z's firmware, have a Chinese friends explain procedures/adjustments necessary after an update. Just updated to the main board FW 0.4.4 & BLE Bluetooth FW 0.3.1, no issues, all proper English. Still early, but seems like they tuned the motor to be more responsive, more like that free/light swingy MSuperV3S+ feel, and the thing flies now! I did notice the sounds kinda got muffled, and there doesn't seem to be a volume adjust that works (some kind of "Voice" slider menu that I'm not sure what it does) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) Did a short turning in place vid to demonstrate the 5" pedal height and resultant potential turning radius. Really had to use my hips/upper body + heel-pivoting-and-hanging off the lateral pedal edge, but the result is you can still relatively turn in place, despite bigger width, provided your technique. (oh, sorry for the crappiness of the video quality, not sure why my iPhoneX reverted to 90's camera phone quality *smh) Edited June 9, 2018 by houseofjob 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharged Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, houseofjob said: I did notice the sounds kinda got muffled See if you can still hear the warning sound, if you just hear some clicking noise, it is probably caused by the update. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Turbocharged said: See if you can still hear the warning sound, if you just hear some clicking noise, it is probably caused by the update. Ok, will do, thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotciv Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Turbocharged said: See if you can still hear the warning sound, if you just hear some clicking noise, it is probably caused by the update. Isn’t this a safety concern? Not hearing the beep can lead to a cut out. I hope they’ll fix it soon ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharged Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Rotciv said: Isn’t this a safety concern? Not hearing the beep can lead to a cut out. I hope they’ll fix it soon ? I am not sure if they will fix it... Since all beta testers' Zs will receive new board and new shell after production unites hit the market, new firmware will be made to be competible with the new main board, so... there are chances beta units with the old board won't work as it is supposed to ... but again, that's what I hear, it may be false info. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Turbocharged said: I am not sure if they will fix it... Since all beta testers' Zs will receive new board and new shell after production unites hit the market, new firmware will be made to be competible with the new main board, so... there are chances beta units with the old board won't work as it is supposed to ... but again, that's what I hear, it may be false info. I find it interesting that they are beta testing a board that is so radically different from production that it won't accept the same firmware. Who beta tests the final board/firmware/product? Us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharged Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, WARPed1701D said: I find it interesting that they are beta testing a board that is so radically different from production that it won't accept the same firmware. Who beta tests the final board/firmware/product? Us? It's not Radically different, the firmware works, just the speaker may have some problems. and as I have mentioned, I only hear this from a beta tester, so his information may not be 100% accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 Z10 vs V10F comp: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotciv Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 hour ago, WARPed1701D said: I find it interesting that they are beta testing a board that is so radically different from production that it won't accept the same firmware. Who beta tests the final board/firmware/product? Us? This is usually done to insure test units are sent back. Someone can flash a test unit with the released firmware and call/sell it as final product. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post houseofjob Posted June 9, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2018 All 7 LED light modes of the Z10: 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 Quick note on Z10 & bumps, as I just did an early morning Park Ave bomb with @Citi Wheel filming. Let out some more air from the tire now, and I think the tire cushion balance (at least for my rider weight) will be as good as it can be on this CST x NB tubeless 18". It's noticeably better cushion, but still in a strong thuddy kind of way, not the ideal springy/bouncy kind of way. But works for me though! On the current more performance-driven 0.4.4 Z10 firmware, hitting each bump at speed tend to land with the pedals tilting a bit back on the landing, something we've seen from EUCs before (speaking in general). I'm guessing they're fine-tuning as we go with the FW rollouts, hopefully they can smooth that out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 In that V10F vs Z10 photo shoot, the Z10 pedal look tiny. Any comments on the comfort level of the pedals and their grippiness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post houseofjob Posted June 9, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: In that V10F vs Z10 photo shoot, the Z10 pedal look tiny. Any comments on the comfort level of the pedals and their grippiness? Yeah, they're literally the same pedals as the first OG Ninebot One 16", which are short, wide, and zero grip, with much exposed metal surface in key places. Test-riding at high speed, I was getting major slippage, so I bought a roll of Jessup griptape and at the very least, applied them to the front and back surfaces. But originally, it was zero grip. Comfort-wise, I never minded these OG NB pedals, but I do have smaller feet as a wide USM 8.5, and heel-toe pivot dance around my pedals constantly ha. Oh, and if you're not familiar, those stock protrusions are rubber, not grippy at all. Edited June 9, 2018 by houseofjob 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, houseofjob said: Yeah, they're literally the same pedals as the first OG Ninebot One 16", which are short, wide, and zero grip, with much exposed metal surface in key places. Test-riding at high speed, I was getting major slippage, so I bought a roll of Jessup griptape and at the very least, applied them to the front and back surfaces. But originally, it was zero grip. Comfort-wise, I never minded these OG NB pedals, but I do have smaller feet as a wide USM 8.5, and heel-toe pivot dance around my pedals constantly ha. Oh, and if you're not familiar, those stock protrusions are rubber, not grippy at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve454 Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, houseofjob said: Yeah, they're literally the same pedals as the first OG Ninebot One 16", which are short, wide, and zero grip, with much exposed metal surface in key places. Test-riding at high speed, I was getting major slippage, so I bought a roll of Jessup griptape and at the very least, applied them to the front and back surfaces. But originally, it was zero grip. Comfort-wise, I never minded these OG NB pedals, but I do have smaller feet as a wide USM 8.5, and heel-toe pivot dance around my pedals constantly ha. That's how I originally did my E+ pedals, along with a long strip on the outside edge of the pedals and in the middle. Looked like the letter E. @SuperSport did a mod of taking the top of the pedal off and pushing the rubber piece out and covering the whole metal plate with griptape and trimming around the slots for the rubber cushions. Yeah, way too slick without griptape. In the photos the top of the pedal is black, I was thinking it was factory applied grip tape like most of the other wheels have. Maybe on the production models they will do that? Seems strange that a high performance wheel has non grippy pedals. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winter Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) Edited August 18, 2018 by nte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 On the pedals, I believe @Jason McNeil is still fighting for the final production pedals to be the ones we saw on both the announcement model Z and the 2018 CES demo model Z. Just now, nte said: Was the top speed for the Z10 raised to 31mph or is it still 28? 28.6 mph according to the app. I've hit 28.4 mph. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winter Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) Edited August 18, 2018 by nte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
houseofjob Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, nte said: Is there a tilt back at 28mph? Yes, somewhere in that range, although I wasn't looking at the app to see the exact speed of initiation. High battery percent tiltback is pretty mild, and I think lower battery percent tiltback starts feeling like legit tiltback according to what @Tishawn Fahie was telling me (haven't experienced it at that low a battery myself), but the Z10 tiltback curve on lower battery is still a gentler initiation than the Ninebot tiltback we remember of old. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Turbocharged Posted June 9, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 9, 2018 33 minutes ago, houseofjob said: On the pedals, I believe @Jason McNeil is still fighting for the final production pedals to be the ones we saw on both the announcement model Z and the 2018 CES demo model Z. That’s highly unlikely they will put the announcement pedals back. However I was told production unit will have factory applied grip tape. And the shell material will be changed for better ... well... I don’t know the correct word in English, so it’s less rigid less stiff but also less fragile upon impact. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbocharged Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I suggest you try ride across a slope (not uphill or downhill, across). And maybe some constant hill climbing if possible. I’m getting mine, a production version Z10 in June, but I still think V10F may be a better wheel for most rider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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