Popular Post Marty Backe Posted June 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2018 First, I must preface the following commentary by saying how great it is to be alive during this period of EUC development. I received my MCM5 from EWheels yesterday and was able to ride it for the first time this afternoon. I did my range test, unfortunately picking a very windy day to do so (but what, I'm supposed to stay home because of some wind?). I made 26-miles ending the ride at 15% battery, under load. The first half of the ride I was riding a bit faster than I intended and the second half was against a strong ocean headwind so my speeds were 15-mph or less. So I consider this 650wh wheel to be a solid 25-mile wheel (solid meaning that you can ride it pretty much any way you want) but capable of ~30-miles. Better than I was expecting, so I'm a happy camper. This is an amazing wheel. You know, I shake my head with a smile when I reflect upon the wheels that Gotway puts out. Yeah, I'm a Gotway fanboy, but damn, they deliver the goods. This 14-inch wheel is the love child of the Mten3 and the Tesla. It has the agility of a sports car with insanely tight steering, and it moves, fast! I did not intend to ride super fast today for my range test, but multiple times I found my Pebble watch buzzing at me as I exceeded my 24-mph alarm. Of course my KS14S can go 19-mph when you have a strong wind on your back, and it feels like it's struggling. This MCM5 is like a thoroughbred that's just getting its stride at 20-mph. 24-mph did not feel stressed. The handling of this wheel is like no other wheel I've ridden. Insane control I tell you. This is not a beginner wheel. This is a high performance advanced user wheel. What gives it the amazing ride characteristics? The shell. This shell has zero padding and it curves up and away from your legs. You can't touch the shell with your legs except when in a turn. So your feet are on the pedals (Monster, ACM, and Tesla pedals) with zero support from your legs. The sensation is kind of like riding a ball vs a wheel. The stability improves at high speeds, but when taking very high speed curving turns you get the sensation that you could under-steer if you weren't focused. That would be bad. Like I said, a racing sports car. At slower speeds it's a blast as you can carve in and around anything. I've very happy that I decided to buy this wheel. @Jason McNeil must never had ridden this wheel, otherwise I don't know why he didn't order a boat load of them. If I have anything to do with it, they are going to be in short supply I'll have more to say as time goes on, but I wanted to get this initial report out now. Here's the summary of my ride. The app sampling rate, etc. smoothed out a few of my 24-mph peaks, but they were there according to my Pebble watch. 10 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted June 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2018 Great review @Marty Backe! Now I’m all fired up! The spurious offspring of Mten3 and Tesla is exactly what I’ve been looking for. I should have mine next week. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) My my, Mr. Backe. I never knew you were a fellow speed demon. Nice first impression review. We need some of that good good MB video footage! For high speed curves I bend the inner knee and lift my heel while leaning pressure on the shell with the outside leg while crouching down a little and body leaning it. Kinda like how motorcyclists do. Works pretty well. Too bad they couldn't cram some more watt hours into the case. Edited June 2, 2018 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted June 2, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: My my, Mr. Backe. I never knew you were a fellow speed demon. Nice first impression review. We need some of that good good MB video footage! For high speed curves I bend the inner knee and lift my heel while leaning pressure on the shell with the outside leg while crouching down a little and body leaning it. Kinda like how motorcyclists do. Works pretty well. Too bad they couldn't cram some more watt hours into the case. Your speed curve technique works well when you can touch the shell. Like I said, this shell does not touch the legs very easily. If Gotway made this design blockier like the Tesla then more batteries could have been stuffed in there. But I like their compromise, resulting in the tight turning control that this wheel provides. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marty Backe Posted June 2, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2018 Speed Run Here's a section of my range test where I was pushing the speed. Unfortunately my LS2 Rebellion helmet prevented me from hearing any of the 3rd alarms Thank goodness that I was wearing my Pebble and had it configured for 24-mph. At this point in the ride the battery was about 60%. I imagine at 80% or above I could go faster, which I'll try another day. Fortunately it didn't cutout on me 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) There's always gotta be a compromise somewhere I suppose. I wonder if they ever will devise an external battery supply port so people can bring along secure battery packs in backpacks for extended range. That would be another game changer for some people, and it would offer flexibility. It could take that light weight MCM5 and make it a 60 mile wheel if needed. Maybe some sort of quick connect with a safety disengage system in case of a fall. Velcro thigh strap to keep the wire tangle free. It must be electronically possible somehow with some of voltage matching circuit? @esaj queue the electronics theory talk! BTW it's time to update your signature once more! Edited June 2, 2018 by Hunka Hunka Burning Love 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kens Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Doesn't look safe on high speed because the legs cannot support the shell. It could be the ultimate classroom to classroom transportation though. I cannot see it on sale anywhere. How much is it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KalSeth Posted June 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2018 I think for longer range Marty can just choose another wheel. No need to reinvent the ...wheel. Maybe something like this? Should add about 100 miles of range 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Kens said: Doesn't look safe on high speed because the legs cannot support the shell. It could be the ultimate classroom to classroom transportation though. I cannot see it on sale anywhere. How much is it? I think it's safe, but it's not a beginner wheel. Check EWheels (e-mail or call them). @Jason McNeil may still have some although he isn't listing them yet on his website. That's where I bought mine. I think the price is ~$1100 Edited June 2, 2018 by Marty Backe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted June 2, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2018 I'm just trying to influence the future generations of these wheels where we will see standard USB charging and communication ports, 12V car boosting port (EUCs are basically portable battery packs on wheels), and a universal external power input port. @litewave changes his Ninebot packs 3 times a day sometimes. Wouldn't it be nice to have an extended range port where one can pull a cable from a backpack, plug it in, and instantly have another 60 miles on tap? People could then carry or share battery packs during longer trips, and virtually have power to spare. Maybe the port could have an internal balancing mini-charger powered by the external battery to bring the internal pack up to the same voltage over time. @zlymex often rides with others who have home made battery backpacks to help extend range. Am I just a dreamer? ? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kens Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: I'm just trying to influence the future generations of these wheels where we will see standard USB charging and communication ports, 12V car boosting port (EUCs are basically portable battery packs on wheels), and a universal external power input port. yes! Yes! YES! Make it have 3 charging port! 1st port is for fast charging. 2nd port is USB type C with power delivery as the secondary charging port so the wheel can be added a bit of range everywhere. That port can also do reverse charging for powering electronics like bike lights, phones and laptops. 3rd port is 12v outlet for car jump starter & other high discharge purposes... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 Maybe they could even have a built-in 120V inverter for powering external items on camping trips. I see that I'm not the only dreamer on the forums. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Marty Backe said: This is not a beginner wheel. This is a high performance advanced user wheel. Excellent feedback Marty, How does it feel to do pendulums on this wheel? Does it have soo much torque from low down? I have seen am Mten3 but sadly have never ridden one. I know it is too early to say but the MCM5 and the Mten3 are similarly priced, what would be your choice? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Edddeus said: Excellent feedback Marty, How does it feel to do pendulums on this wheel? Does it have soo much torque from low down? I have seen am Mten3 but sadly have never ridden one. I know it is too early to say but the MCM5 and the Mten3 are similarly priced, what would be your choice? Me? I would still pick the Mten3 because of the fun factor. But the MCM5 is clearly a very fast and longer range wheel, has the built-in trolley handle, cutoff switch in the handle, etc. So the MCM5 is a more practical wheel but the Mten3 is a more fun wheel (the kind of fun that I've tried to show in all of my Mten3 videos). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) Wow, 14inch is what I developed my riding skills on. I was always worried about the size of the Mten3, I am quite tall, but having seen someone ride by as I was driving I noticed that the shell/body is larger than I expected, chunky too! I was amazed. Having experienced 22 inch wheels down to 14 , I need to experience the 10 inch wheel. I remember you saying with the Mten3, the mind thinks and the Mten3 does. Edited June 2, 2018 by Edddeus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Lee Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 56 minutes ago, Edddeus said: Wow, 14inch is what I developed my riding skills on. I was always worried about the size of the Mten3, I am quite tall, but having seen someone ride by as I was driving I noticed that the shell/body is larger than I expected, chunky too I was amazed. Having experienced 22 inch wheels down to 14 , I need to experience the 10 inch wheel. I remember you saying with the Mten3, the mind thinks and the Mten3 does. +1 on that statement. I've got 430 miles on mine so far and 200 of it on the new tire Marty put on his... I think @Duf said it the best on one of his video. If you ride an EUC you owe it to yourself to get one of these to experience it... I love mine... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 6 hours ago, Marty Backe said: What gives it the amazing ride characteristics? The shell. This shell has zero padding and it curves up and away from your legs. You can't touch the shell with your legs except when in a turn. So your feet are on the pedals (Monster, ACM, and Tesla pedals) with zero support from your legs. The sensation is kind of like riding a ball vs a wheel. Just like the ACM! Nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 4 hours ago, meepmeepmayer said: Just like the ACM! Nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meepmeepmayer Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 I meant controlling the wheel just via the pedals, essentially not touching the sides. Which is a lot like the ACM rides (you just touch the side pads because it's so wide, but I've recently learned I'm not using side pressure to control it at all, even in all but the tightest turns - all via pedals and upper body turning). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yourtoys7 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 @Marty Backe man.... reading and watching your vid. just brought sweet memories of MCM3 I had, it was a sweet little machine and fast (it cut out on me at 32 km/h). Looks like this adds so, so much more and with that trolley and temp. eng. off when lifted it just might be one of the best portable machines. Im so so pumped about it, WOW.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yourtoys7 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Marty Backe said: I think it's safe, but it's not a beginner wheel. Check EWheels (e-mail or call them). @Jason McNeil may still have some although he isn't listing them yet on his website. That's where I bought mine. I think the price is ~$1100 EUC.NYC has them in stock, but he wants 1300. . Edited June 2, 2018 by yourtoys7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yourtoys7 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 @Marty Backe you might want these... https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-GotWay-MCM-5-PU-pads-leg-soft-pads-electric-unicycle-spare-part/253612013839?hash=item3b0c74390f:g:uMIAAOSwh5ha8unm 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 8 hours ago, yourtoys7 said: EUC.NYC has them in stock, but he wants 1300. . That's pricey. I'm pretty sure EWheels will sell them cheaper, but you'll have to wait. Like anything in life, you'll pay a premium if you can't wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share Posted June 2, 2018 5 hours ago, yourtoys7 said: @Marty Backe you might want these... https://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-GotWay-MCM-5-PU-pads-leg-soft-pads-electric-unicycle-spare-part/253612013839?hash=item3b0c74390f:g:uMIAAOSwh5ha8unm Very interesting. Hard to believe that the pads are Gotway originals - why wouldn't Gotway sell the wheel with them if that's what they intended. So far I like the wheel without the pads because of the increased agility. But I keep this link handy in case I change my mind. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yourtoys7 Posted June 2, 2018 Share Posted June 2, 2018 32 minutes ago, Marty Backe said: That's pricey. I'm pretty sure EWheels will sell them cheaper, but you'll have to wait. Like anything in life, you'll pay a premium if you can't wait. I wonder what green fashion gonna sell them at... I purchased my mcm 3 w. 340wh. for 499., and now it’s more than double, but it’s a hella of a machine, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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