esaj Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I'm heading for a laser eye surgery next week, thought I'd ask here if anyone's gone under femto-LASIK and if there's anything I should know or take into account? Or if I should just back off, although in this day and age, it should be a relatively low risk operation. Getting a bit cold feet maybe? I know how the operation is done (flap cut with femtosecond laser, then the flap is turned to side and another laser is used to correct the vision, then the flap is put back on and grows shut over time), and seen the videos (if you're sensitive and even think about getting the operation, don't watch the videos! I wasn't particularly horrified, but it still looks a bit nasty). I've been reading here and there about the experiences, and first was set for SMILE (small incision lenticule extraction), until I learned that if the first surgery won't succeed in getting a good enough vision, the repair cannot be done with SMILE, but either with femto-LASIK, or if that's not an option, PRK. I haven't really heard much good about PRK (like an ex-boss had it done sometime in the early 2000's, ended up not getting a good enough vision and turned down the offer for free resurgery, as the recovery was so long and painful), so I chose LASIK instead, as resurgery can be done with the same technique within a year or so if needed. Of course, hopefully no resurgery is needed, but just in case... I've never had dry eyes and on the pre-checks, everything was fine (thick enough corneas, no damage, pupil dilating drops put twice to check sizes etc etc.), so I hope the recovery will be relatively swift (pretty clear vision within a couple of days, and getting better over the next months, likely feeling like having something in my eye for a month or two and having to use drops all the time). I was convinced by the person doing my exams that the need for resurgery in their clinic has been less than 1% of around 30000 patients, and most cases are those who already had very poor vision (like closer to -10) and/or very high astigmatism, but of course she's also trying to sell me the surgery at the same time . I've got -3.5 and -4.25 glasses and minimal astigmatism on one eye, and apart nearsightedness never had any real issues with my eyes. I recall I've had slight eye infection twice in my life, and those weren't anything really serious (about a week of antibiotic drops and gone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Oh boy oh boy, someone asking for free medical advice! Finally! As a leading, world-reknowned giver of free medical advice, I would say don't read the information here if you want to go ahead with it: http://www.lasikcomplications.com/is-lasik-safe.htm https://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/ProductsandMedicalProcedures/SurgeryandLifeSupport/LASIK/ucm061354.htm http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/sc-lasik-loses-luster-health-0525-20160526-story.html https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2013/02/lasik-eye-surgery/index.htm I would say at your level of myopia it may not be worth the risk at this point. Why not wait a bit for newer technology and more long term studies? There's always some improvement around the corner. Unless there's some burning desire to have lasers shot into your eyeballs, I'd say maybe wait. Lasers, esaj! We're talking LASERS! Oh that reminds me, I have to book my laser penis reduction surgery soon. Let's just say there have been complaints lodged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 11 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: Oh that reminds me, I have to book my laser penis reduction surgery soon. Let's just say there have been complaints lodged. At least that will be almost painless to have done . . . . . . . You will just feel a little prick ?. Seriously @esaj, I’m developing cataracts that are now making it difficult for me to fly my models but I’m still trying to pluck up the courage to have, what is a very simple, done 1000’s times, operation. I used to console myself that wearing glasses al my life has protected my eyes from UV at least and I’ve then got them bad at a very young age ???. I’ve crashed motorcycles, flown a 600 sized heli into me, all sorts of things - hell I’m even daft enought to ride EUC’s, but having anything done to my eyes scares the hell out of me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rehab1 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 I have spoken to a number of people over the years that have had the LASIK procedure with zero complications. I’m sure you have evaluated the credentials of your ophthalmologist ?️ and he/she is top rated. It beats wearing glasses or contact lenses. My wife had the old PRK procedure performed in early 2000 and she came through it fine. LASIK is tried and proven. You might consider canceling the surgery if there’s a possibility of the thunderstorm that day. ⚡ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve454 Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: You might consider canceling the surgery if there’s a possibility of the thunderstorm that day. ⚡ That's a good point, the weather should be non-stormy to lessen the chance of power outage. And to further optimize the chance of a good outcome, don't schedule it before or just after a weekend or holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 25 minutes ago, steve454 said: That's a good point, the weather should be non-stormy to lessen the chance of power outage. And to further optimize the chance of a good outcome, don't schedule it before or just after a weekend or holiday..... ......or if your ophthalmologist fell off an EUC and broke his humerus the night before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 Personally I'd rather be shooting lasers out of my eyeballs like these high tech cows rather than have lasers shot into them. But that's just me. https://www.livescience.com/62498-laser-shooting-eyeballs.html https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a20670955/scientists-mounted-laser-shooting-contacts-lenses-to-cow-eyeballs/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted May 28, 2018 Share Posted May 28, 2018 9 hours ago, esaj said: I'm heading for a laser eye surgery next week, thought I'd ask here if anyone's gone under femto-LASIK and if there's anything I should know or take into account? Or if I should just back off, although in this day and age, it should be a relatively low risk operation. Getting a bit cold feet maybe? I know how the operation is done (flap cut with femtosecond laser, then the flap is turned to side and another laser is used to correct the vision, then the flap is put back on and grows shut over time), and seen the videos (if you're sensitive and even think about getting the operation, don't watch the videos! I wasn't particularly horrified, but it still looks a bit nasty). I've been reading here and there about the experiences, and first was set for SMILE (small incision lenticule extraction), until I learned that if the first surgery won't succeed in getting a good enough vision, the repair cannot be done with SMILE, but either with femto-LASIK, or if that's not an option, PRK. I haven't really heard much good about PRK (like an ex-boss had it done sometime in the early 2000's, ended up not getting a good enough vision and turned down the offer for free resurgery, as the recovery was so long and painful), so I chose LASIK instead, as resurgery can be done with the same technique within a year or so if needed. Of course, hopefully no resurgery is needed, but just in case... I've never had dry eyes and on the pre-checks, everything was fine (thick enough corneas, no damage, pupil dilating drops put twice to check sizes etc etc.), so I hope the recovery will be relatively swift (pretty clear vision within a couple of days, and getting better over the next months, likely feeling like having something in my eye for a month or two and having to use drops all the time). I was convinced by the person doing my exams that the need for resurgery in their clinic has been less than 1% of around 30000 patients, and most cases are those who already had very poor vision (like closer to -10) and/or very high astigmatism, but of course she's also trying to sell me the surgery at the same time . I've got -3.5 and -4.25 glasses and minimal astigmatism on one eye, and apart nearsightedness never had any real issues with my eyes. I recall I've had slight eye infection twice in my life, and those weren't anything really serious (about a week of antibiotic drops and gone). I did it over 10 years ago. Only issue is it screws up your night vision. And if I stare hard enough, I can see the little laser dots created on my cornea to shape the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esaj Posted May 28, 2018 Author Share Posted May 28, 2018 20 hours ago, Keith said: Seriously @esaj, I’m developing cataracts that are now making it difficult for me to fly my models but I’m still trying to pluck up the courage to have, what is a very simple, done 1000’s times, operation. I used to console myself that wearing glasses al my life has protected my eyes from UV at least and I’ve then got them bad at a very young age ???. I’ve crashed motorcycles, flown a 600 sized heli into me, all sorts of things - hell I’m even daft enought to ride EUC’s, but having anything done to my eyes scares the hell out of me! Yeah, I don't really love the idea that a flap is cut in my cornea and then "opened"... In SMILE, the incision made is much smaller (a few millimeters) and a small piece (the "lenticule") cut with laser is removed through this hole. It should have faster healing (not at the start, as the top layer of cornea must first "collapse" in a bit, but after that) and less dry eyes as less nerves are cut, but the downside is that it (apparently) cannot be done again if not a good enough vision is achieved on first try. In the older PRK-method, the entire top layer of cornea is completely removed (I haven't read that much about it, I guess they put some sort of "contact lens"-kinda cover on top of it until it heals). "without stitches"... oh really, I would have thought that the surgeon JABS A NEEDLE IN MY EYE AND SOWS THE FLAP SHUT Also, I've seen a videos of SMILE being made, and while the cut is small, it does look even more nasty than LASIK, as the surgeon must place first a tool through the opening to make sure the lenticule is completely loosened up (what the below pictures don't show) and then use kinda like tweezers to grab it and pull it out. Sometimes it might not even come out in one piece... But the deciding factor for me was that SMILE can't be redone, and there's apparently a somewhat high change that any resurgery involves PRK... There's a new procedure, called FLOW, which requires zero mechanical touch to the eye. It's not that widely available yet, and since it's new, no-one is that certain how it works out in the longer run... I don't know much about, it's supposedly based on PRK but made entirely with lasers. 19 hours ago, Rehab1 said: I have spoken to a number of people over the years that have had the LASIK procedure with zero complications. I’m sure you have evaluated the credentials of your ophthalmologist ?️ and he/she is top rated. It beats wearing glasses or contact lenses. My wife had the old PRK procedure performed in early 2000 and she came through it fine. LASIK is tried and proven. You might consider canceling the surgery if there’s a possibility of the thunderstorm that day. ⚡ The 1.5h pre-check with all the bells and whistles was done by an optician, but I did check the background of the surgeon. He owns the local clinic (part of the nationwide Medilaser -chain, which has been doing laser eye surgery for 20+ years) and also works at the same time in a lot of other clinics across the country, traveling between the clinics, so I'm pretty sure I'm in good hands.The surgeon seems experienced, he has something like 20+ years of experience in total and has performed the procedure for 10 years (not sure if the terminology is correct, I translated it with Google): "Eye ophthalmologist since 1996, specialist ophthalmologist 2004, cataract surgery since 1998, laser surgery since 2007, lens surgery since 2008." There are opht... opthato... ophthalmologists with longer experience in the country, though. I've talked to few people who have had the exact same procedure done (flap cut with femtosecond laser instead of microkeratome blade, I guess the excimer-laser part is the same on both), and none of them have regretted going to the surgery. One case required resurgery on another eye, and took longer to heal (about 9 months in total, but the resurgery was done around 5-6 months), and sometimes still needs to apply drops (something like 3-4 years later) as it seems to dry out. But he did point out that he had to do it at times already before the surgery on that eye and the rhat eye had astigmatism "as high as the scale goes" before the first surgery... hopefully that won't occur in my case. 18 hours ago, steve454 said: That's a good point, the weather should be non-stormy to lessen the chance of power outage. And to further optimize the chance of a good outcome, don't schedule it before or just after a weekend or holiday. It's smack in the middle of the week, at noon on Wednesday. 15 hours ago, eddiemoy said: I did it over 10 years ago. Only issue is it screws up your night vision. And if I stare hard enough, I can see the little laser dots created on my cornea to shape the light. From the little that I know, the "starbursts" (like spikes shooting out from a lightsource) and "halos" (hues/"rings" around lights) that come at night depend (at least) on how large your pupils get in the dark, and can be (up to a point) diminished by taking this into account with the flap size and operation area... apparently that's why it's important that they measure your vision both with and without pupil dilating drops applied twice(?). I do see starbursts at night with glasses, but that just because my glasses are usually dirty Don't see them with naked eye, but then again, I can see clearly without glasses for about as far as I can reach, if that, and I might see them with naked eye after the surgery. Never been really bothered by them much, but it might be different if they're larger... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jag_Rip Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 On 5/27/2018 at 7:26 PM, esaj said: I've got -3.5 and -4.25 glasses and minimal astigmatism on one eye, and apart nearsightedness never had any real issues with my eyes I got -4.5 and -4.25 on my eyes since 6th grade, and I therefore wear glasses everyday. I havent ever thought of having surgery for this minor issue or to switch to contact lenses. So I cant comment on that. But I was once working in a hospital for a few months and got the opportunity to watch eyesurgery live from within the Operation room, with all the desinfections and throw-away clothes. It was VERY impressive since the doctor was performing surgery watching a screen with magnification instead of the patient. He cut a slit into the eye and to make sure the eyeball did not collapse, they pumped some special goo into the eye to stabilize it during the process. What also was very impressive is how fast the eye can heal these kinds of wounds, within a few days the patient was able to see normally again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbfrese Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 On 5/27/2018 at 4:46 PM, steve454 said: That's a good point, the weather should be non-stormy to lessen the chance of power outage. And to further optimize the chance of a good outcome, don't schedule it before or just after a weekend or holiday. Actually, just bring your EUC with. If the power goes out, the Dr. Can just plug the laser into the battery pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 If you want to save some money, I can do the surgery for you. I got this can-do attitude, and I've got fairly steady hands. As a bonus I can get almost everything on eBay! There's plenty of room in my parents' basement too. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Feather-Micro-Ophthalmic-Scalpel-with-Aluminum-Handle-5-Pack-No-6340G/162943973602 https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Elbow-Length-Latex-Surgical-Gloves-Size-Large-18-Inches-Long/173339817336 https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Adult-Mens-Surgeon-Costume-Carnival-Party-Hospital-Doctor-Uniform/112560913641 https://www.ebay.ca/itm/12L-Dental-Medical-Sterilizer-Autoclave-Class-N-Vacuum-Steam-Vitale-Benchtop-CE/232448789486 https://www.ebay.ca/itm/International-Nidek-EC5000-CXIII-CX3-Excimer-Laser-w-200hz-Eye-Tracker-Dexta-Bed/372209250353 https://www.ebay.ca/itm/sypx40-APC-Symmetra-PX-40000va-UPS-208v-SY40K40F-40kva-3-phase-NewBatts/131317217722 If the surgery doesn't work, that's okay, eBay has a pretty good return policy. We can just blame the equipment as being faulty so I can get a refund. Don't worry though, I have a good instructional manual. Can't be that difficult, right? https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Laser-Surgery-of-the-Eye-The-Art-of-Lasers-in-Opthamology-CD-Samuel-Boyd/252178236027 https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Eye-Surgery-An-Introduction-to-Operative-Technique-by-Georg-Eisner-2011/332498118788 I can also read this book just in case: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/EXCIMER-LASER-PHOTOTHERAPEUTIC-KERATECTOMY-PHOTOTHERAPEUTIC-By-Roger-F-NEW/183214066725 Now I just need a helpful assistant to wipe my brow and celebrate the success of the surgery afterwards. https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Woman-Sexy-Lingerie-Dress-Sleepwear-Nurse-Girl-Costume-Cosplay-Outfit-Uniform/372288132561 If it helps ease your concerns, check out my cool degree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esaj Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: If you want to save some money, I can do the surgery for you. I got this can-do attitude, and I've got fairly steady hands. As a bonus I can get almost everything on eBay! There's plenty of room in my parents' basement too. Your offer seems legit, I'll take it! On second thought... you still need a separate femtosecond laser for the flap https://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Ziemer-Z8-LDV-Femtosecond-Laser/262679236489?hash=item3d28e70f89:g:U7AAAOSwz~VZneor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Ah we're kinda on a tight budget so this ought to be good enough. https://m.ebay.ca/itm/Professional-5mw-532nm-8km-Powerful-Green-Laser-Pointer-Light-Pen-Lazer-Beam-CA/183148909386 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Best wishes on your surgery! You’ve performed a great deal of research on the physician and his practice and he sounds highly experienced in the LASIK procedure.Your in good hands buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Hold on a sec, you're talking about me, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjon12 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 For my 55th birthday (8 years ago), I gave myself the gift of Lasik surgery. Up until that point, I had been told by the Lasik folks that they couldn't help me at all because I was farsighted. I was told that nearsighted people are easily corrected with Lasiks, while farsighted people are problematic. The reason is that nearsighted people need to have their lens flattened by removing a bit of tissue from the front of the lens, something lasers do easily and accurately. The docs told me there is a 99% chance that people with nearsightedness will achieve 20/20 or better vision after the first surgery, which are fantastic odds of first time success. For farsighted folks like me, the lens isn't curved enough, so tissue is removed around the perimeter of the lens, and the internal pressure inside your eye gradually causes the lens to bend outward. This technique is not foolproof and may take multiple tries to get it right, plus it takes time for the correction to become viable. Nearsighted people walk out of the Lasik clinic and know within hours that they have had success, and even if, for some reason, the correction isn't perfect, they can see a hell of a lot better than before the surgery. Farsighted people, like me, have to wait upwards of 6 weeks. Sounds to me like you will have great results because you are nearsighted! I knew a guy at work who had Lasiks for nearsightedness since he was a kid, and he was ecstatic because he woke up the next morning and could see a fly walking across the ceiling in his bedroom. My sister-in-law has Lasiks for nearsightedness and threw her old glasses away, and has had great vision for close to 20 years since her surgery. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esaj Posted May 31, 2018 Author Share Posted May 31, 2018 About 22 hours after the surgery, I can see almost as good as with glasses before it. Trying outside, I couldn't yet make out the leaves on a certain tree further away, like I did with glasses. But that's like couple of streets away. There's slight haze around anything really bright (like sunlight shining off a clear metal surface or such) and the computer monitor seems much more bright than before. Of course it's early days, the slight sensitivity to brightness will go away and after this initial "fast" correction, the final vision accuracy will take about 3-6 months to fully develop. The operation itself was very... unpleasant. Not painful in anyway, but certainly not pleasant Mostly it was just the thing keeping your lids open, as the drops only numb your eye, not the lids, and the feeling of pressure from the femtolaser head that suctions itself on to your eyeball so things don't move around. When that happens, everything goes black, and the nurse counts down the time to cut the flap. Took about 25 seconds. They told me all the time what was going on. After that, the surgeon removed the femto-device from my eye and the green light I was supposed to look at became a hazy green cloud as the flap was lifted off. I've seen videos where it seems the surgeon takes over a minute or so to get the flap off, but here, the lift-off was pretty much instant in case of both eyes. Probably the surgeon has done it so many times (thousands?) that it's easy for him. After that, the excimer-laser did the actual correction. Didn't feel like anything and the device tracks your eye position about 500 times per second in case of any movement, so even if you'd accidentally move your eye, it will just stop cutting immediately and continue when you look in the right direction again. After that, the doctor closes the flap and then it's off to the next eye. The entire thing took less than 3 minutes per eye (one eye at a time), so it's not that long, I've had much worse trips to the dentist. After the surgery, I was told to take a look at the clock on the wall (an analog one with "hands"), and although my vision was hazy, I could tell the minute-lines from about 3 meters away. I was taken to a dimly lit room to recover, with dark protective goggles over my eyes. The first 5-10 minutes I just looked around a bit, but after the anesthetic drops wore off (they don't affect but maybe 15-20 minutes in total), my eyes started to water a lot if I tried to keep them open, and felt a bit like stinging or having sand in my eyes. Worse for the right one than the left one. A nurse came in to check that I'm feeling alright and asked if I want water or coffee and cookies. After sitting in the room on a reclining chair for about 40 minutes, I was taken to a post-op check up, where the surgeon checks both eyes with a microscopic camera. Everything seemed ok, flaps are in place and well attached. I was given the number of the doctor, and told to call anytime, evening or weekend, in case something seems off. If I can't reach him, I could send an SMS and he'd get back to me ASAP. They said to call rather than to wait in case anything seems off or weird, even if it turns out to be nothing. I've got another more thorough check-up about a month away (similar to the pre-operation check up done a couple of weeks ago, where the vision is checked and the eyes are "photoed" with all sorts of machines). After that, they usually give yet another check-up time about 5-6 months away. The operations went on like on a conveyor belt, in the about 2 hours I was there, two patients who'd been operated before me left, and before I left, four more after me had shown up. About an hour and a half after the surgery, I could start keeping my eyes open with much less watering, although they still felt like there was something in my eyes. My GF picked me up and I went to a pharmacy to get the prescribed eyedrops (antibiotic/cortisone drops taken 3 times per day, 1-3 drops per eye at a time, and more "normal" drops taken as often as needed). Back at home, I put on some eyedrops and went to bed with the bedroom dark. I put some Dave Jones (eevblog) video running from Youtube and just listened. Fell asleep maybe 15 minutes into it Once I woke up a couple of hours later, my eyes felt pretty much fine. Slight feeling of having something in my right eye, the left eye didn't feel like anything. I put on some more drops that made the feeling go away and stood awake for a while, chatted a bit with friends over IM and watched a little bit of a movie from Netflix, then fell asleep again. I woke up for a brief period sometime around 4AM, the goggles had come off, not sure if I had just rolled around so that they slid off, or if I had pushed them aside to rub my eye in my sleep. Hopefully not rubbing them (you're not supposed to touch your eyes or let sweat or anything else get to them, or even let water run over your face in a shower for a week), but either way, both eyes felt just fine. I put on some antibiotics and then slept a few more hours until this morning. Didn't notice any halos or starbursts on the slightly darker street btw, but they might come later on? And like I said above, I do see some slight "haze" (but sideways, not like a halo) around bright sunlight shining off something. So, I guess everything went just fine and I'm well on my way to recovery. Here's to hoping no complications further along the way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Oh, so I guess I should cancel my big eBay order then huh? Aw man, people are in such a hurry these days. I was so looking forward to trying out that professional laser pointer thingy and not to mention hiring a sexy assistant. Oh well, guess it's back to the ol' basement and continuing with my gynecological practice which by the way, I'm offering a two for one pap smear special on Tuesdays! Glad to hear you're doing well. Sounds like the Finlandic opthamologists are pretty competent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esaj Posted June 1, 2018 Author Share Posted June 1, 2018 16 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: Oh, so I guess I should cancel my big eBay order then huh? Aw man, people are in such a hurry these days. I was so looking forward to trying out that professional laser pointer thingy and not to mention hiring a sexy assistant. Oh well, guess it's back to the ol' basement and continuing with my gynecological practice which by the way, I'm offering a two for one pap smear special on Tuesdays! Don't give up yet, I was just one patient, think of the thousands of others looking to get the operation, but lacking the cash... outbid the competition with price, not quality? Quote Glad to hear you're doing well. Sounds like the Finlandic opthamologists are pretty competent! At least so far... I've been reading through this looong (like close to 100 pages) thread in a Finnish forum about laser eye surgeries, and seems I'm doing pretty ok (of course this is just the 2nd full day after the surgery, so things are developing all the time, hopefully just for the better, but some people report problems further down the line). Most people heal pretty well and without much issues, but there are some cases where people have had double vision/ghost images etc. and even pain for a long time before they finally went away, and a few cases that did not go so well (permanent halos, dry eyes, slight double vision and such). Surprisingly, the discussion is very civilized, no flame wars about "femto vs smile" or such and people are honest about the good and bad sides. Currently, my only "problems" are that the fairly viscous "normal" eye drops (Oftagel) and the antibiotic drops (Oftan Dexa-Chlora) make my vision blurry for a while after application, and also make my eyelashes stick together in clumps. There's some sort of residue (or just some sort of mucus that's being washed out by the drops) around my eyes, but I can't wash it off, as I was told not to even let water flow over my face in shower for a week, and only clean my face with a moist cloth and not near the eyes. It's just annoying, other than that, I'm just fine. Probably need to get some more "runny" eye drops to rinse the crap away. Also I've noticed slight double vision here and there, usually either right after putting on the drops, or once my eyes start to dry out after not putting on any drops for several hours. If it didn't go away in between, then I'd be worried, but most people seem to report having similar things and they go completely away with time. Btw, as your medical opinion, what about beer and cigarettes during the recovery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, esaj said: Don't give up yet, I was just one patient, think of the thousands of others looking to get the operation, but lacking the cash... outbid the competition with price, not quality? At least so far... I've been reading through this looong (like close to 100 pages) thread in a Finnish forum about laser eye surgeries, and seems I'm doing pretty ok (of course this is just the 2nd full day after the surgery, so things are developing all the time, hopefully just for the better, but some people report problems further down the line). Most people heal pretty well and without much issues, but there are some cases where people have had double vision/ghost images etc. and even pain for a long time before they finally went away, and a few cases that did not go so well (permanent halos, dry eyes, slight double vision and such). Surprisingly, the discussion is very civilized, no flame wars about "femto vs smile" or such and people are honest about the good and bad sides. Currently, my only "problems" are that the fairly viscous "normal" eye drops (Oftagel) and the antibiotic drops (Oftan Dexa-Chlora) make my vision blurry for a while after application, and also make my eyelashes stick together in clumps. There's some sort of residue (or just some sort of mucus that's being washed out by the drops) around my eyes, but I can't wash it off, as I was told not to even let water flow over my face in shower for a week, and only clean my face with a moist cloth and not near the eyes. It's just annoying, other than that, I'm just fine. Probably need to get some more "runny" eye drops to rinse the crap away. Also I've noticed slight double vision here and there, usually either right after putting on the drops, or once my eyes start to dry out after not putting on any drops for several hours. If it didn't go away in between, then I'd be worried, but most people seem to report having similar things and they go completely away with time. Cancel that eBay order cancellation! You're definitely onto something here! Quantity over quality! Yeah I like the sound of that! By the way, it's two holistic breast exams for the price of one Friday if any women are reading this thread - bring a friend (like yeah right, as if there are any women on this forum! It's all dudes!) Regarding the gooey eye-snot, we need pictures! We need photo documentation! It can't be that bad, right? Here's a post-op photo of one of my earlier patients. I think I did a not too bad of a job considering I only took a $199 online course from some eye surgery university in Bangladesh! He's all smiles now! BTW, if anyone needs cheap acupuncture treatment, I'm your go-to guy! Here's one of my happy customers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esaj Posted June 1, 2018 Author Share Posted June 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: Cancel that eBay order cancellation! You're definitely onto something here! Quantity over quality! Yeah I like the sound of that! By the way, it's two holistic breast exams for the price of one Friday if any women are reading this thread - bring a friend (like yeah right, as if there are any women on this forum! It's all dudes!) If you want to make some serious $$$$, forget about eyes, it's the plastic surgery where the money's at! Can't be that hard, make a small incision, stick in some saline bags, suture the wound... Quote Regarding the gooey eye-snot, we need pictures! We need photo documentation! No, it's not really that bad, didn't bother to take a picture right now, similar to this but not that much goo: Quote It can't be that bad, right? Here's a post-op photo of one of my earlier patients. I think I did a not too bad of a job considering I only took a $199 online course from some eye surgery university in Bangladesh! He's all smiles now! Aww, that's one handsome fella... Event Horizon? You probably didn't see my last edit in the last post, so here's it repeated: "Btw, as your medical opinion, what about beer and cigarettes during the recovery? " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunka Hunka Burning Love Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Mmmm yummy! Reminds me - it's almost lunchtime! I don't smoke or drink, but oooh oooOOOooh for the patient you mean? I'd say strictly no smoking and no alcohol. I'm not sure about eyeballs, but smoking doesn't really help with healing I think. Also, alcohol likely doesn't help. https://www.advancedtissue.com/factors-inhibit-wound-healing/ Regarding breast implants, meh, I prefer the natural look, but if it's giant fun bags people want, it's giant fun bags theys gonna get! Gummy bear implants are the next best thing to candy! Note to self - go to grocery store to stock up on gummy bears from the bulk bin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Congratulations buddy! I’m sure your glad the procedure is over. On 5/31/2018 at 3:34 AM, esaj said: nurse counts down the time to cut the flap. Took about 25 seconds. Like NASA getting ready for a launch? Wonder if any patients ever aborted at the 10 second mark. ? On 5/31/2018 at 3:34 AM, esaj said: So, I guess everything went just fine and I'm well on my way to recovery. Here's to hoping no complications further along the way... Your doing excellent! The scary part is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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