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The future is not 30 mph EUCs


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I believe that in the UK, where pedalecs are limited to 15mph, you can actually buy a speed pedalec (up to 28mph) but your have to register it as a moped, obtain all required insurance, fit a plate, and follow the associated rules (no sidewalks... Ever) . It is rarely done and difficult to find someone who knows how to do it. 

For these devices the era you speak of is already here in some countries. It is just a matter of time until the US catches up, and the of course it will vary from state to state. 

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50 minutes ago, wheelr said:

The premise that the same measures we use to regulate other vehicles should apply to EUCs is flawed.

EUCs should not require insurance. They just don't pose a substantial threat to others. 

EUCs should be allowed on sidewalks (which for the most part go unused). 

There is no good reason why an EUC shouldn't be allowed to travel at speeds of 30+ mph. The capacity to travel at higher speeds enable EUCs to be safer around traffic, and the extra power acts as a buffer that reduces the chance of a cut-out. 

Here in Florida, mopeds can travel at higher speeds and do not require any insurance. E-bikes that can travel at 28mph and mopeds with pedals can do so on sidewalks.

I'm not saying that EUCs should not be regulated. All I'm saying is that the regulations should make sense. It is up to us to educate others about the nature of EUCs and help create a framework that works.

I think ebikes are actually limited to 20mph on Florida. Last I read there was no recognition of speed pedelecs at all and nowhere else in the US where they are recognized have I seen it being legal to use them on sidewalks, bike paths, or trails. If you've seen otherwise please let me know. 

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1 hour ago, Meghan said:

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1 hour ago, Meghan said:

Good to know!  I have been trying to hook my friend up with the right person for years, so you are in luck.  Here is her pic.   Don’t forget to invite me to your wedding!  ???

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Forget your friend. Can I please have her with my trade-in wife?

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I think we are likely to see the speeds these things can reach go up until we hit catastrophic (someone will probably kill themselves by winning the Darwin Award) and then drop again.  In this sense, we're probably looking at 40+ mph eucs before they stop going up in speed.  

I don't see them becoming popular enough to be very recently or heavily regulated in Florida. Too many "I could never ride that!" self limiters here.

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19 hours ago, wheelr said:

EUCs should be allowed on sidewalks (which for the most part go unused). 

There is no good reason why an EUC shouldn't be allowed to travel at speeds of 30+ mph. The capacity to travel at higher speeds enable EUCs to be safer around traffic, and the extra power acts as a buffer that reduces the chance of a cut-out. 

Sidewalks may go unused in Florida but that is only because being a pedestrian in Florida is to be living in a killing field. Eight of the 10 most dangerous cities are in Florida. 

Having any sort of mixed traffic sharing a space with a big speed differential is dangerous. That is why they don't allow bicycles on interstate highways. If you allow EUCs on sidewalks and they can go ten times faster than the pedestrians sharing the space, there will be bad accidents. 

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i don't know - they're still kind of niche, and when people do ask me questions and/or express interest their tone is usually a mixture of awe, puzzlement and fear. i try to make it sound easy, but also mention how bashed up my lower legs and and ankles got (and sometimes still do ;) ) learning. i usually mention this forum if they seem extra-curious. only a handful of people i've interacted with seemed to seriously consider looking into buying one... but that's just my guess.. who knows?

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12 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

That's the law in California :thumbup:

Yes, CA got it right. Other states keep modifying laws based on strength of lobbyist. PA, Philadelphia in particular has a strong bicycle lobby. Consequentially electric bikes are classified as bikes "including" those that can be ridden only using throttle. Electric kick scooter are banned, even those that go around 15 mph. EUCs and e-boards are in a grey area. Even if EUCs are included in the EPMD category they will be limited to Segway 12.5 mpg speed.

An enlighten approach for all states would be to subject bikes and EPMDs to the following maximum speeds: 12.5 (speed of traffic in dense areas) when ridding on sidewalk with pedestrian traffic, 30 mph in bike lanes or extreme right side of road when no bike lanes available, and 20-25 on hiking trails or at posted speeds by local authorities. EMPDs should includes EUCs, E-boards, e-bikes, and e-Kickscooters.  EMPDs that go faster than 30 mph should have to ride in regular traffic. Plates, insurance not required as Darwinian laws will prevail.?

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48 minutes ago, Jerome said:

Yes, CA got it right. Other states keep modifying laws based on strength of lobbyist. PA, Philadelphia in particular has a strong bicycle lobby. Consequentially electric bikes are classified as bikes "including" those that can be ridden only using throttle. Electric kick scooter are banned, even those that go around 15 mph. EUCs and e-boards are in a grey area. Even if EUCs are included in the EPMD category they will be limited to Segway 12.5 mpg speed.

An enlighten approach for all states would be to subject bikes and EPMDs to the following maximum speeds: 12.5 (speed of traffic in dense areas) when ridding on sidewalk with pedestrian traffic, 30 mph in bike lanes or extreme right side of road when no bike lanes available, and 20-25 on hiking trails or at posted speeds by local authorities. EMPDs should includes EUCs, E-boards, e-bikes, and e-Kickscooters.  EMPDs that go faster than 30 mph should have to ride in regular traffic. Plates, insurance not required as Darwinian laws will prevail.?

If I remember correctly, the only speed limit mentioned in the California rules is 20-mph. None of this 12-mph garbage.

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59 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

If I remember correctly, the only speed limit mentioned in the California rules is 20-mph. None of this 12-mph garbage.

Yeah, but 20 mph on sidewalks doesn't play on the east coast. You couldn't go faster than 5-8 mph even if there was no limit. Where you live you see the occasional dog walker on the sidewalks. We see as many people  that live in your whole neighborhood, within two city blocks in some locations. Even residential areas have significant traffic to make 12.5 mph more than enough. Bike lanes are the way to go on the "right" coast. That said I would gladly embrace CA laws here in PA, NJ, NY, MD!?

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I'm comfortable and satisfied with 20-25mph for EUCs. At 30mph+, impact energy is double what it is at 20mph, and when operating at those speeds, they can be pretty dangerous. Especially when you consider that there really isn't anywhere for you to ride at that speed other than in the street with the cars.

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