Shad0z Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 3 hours ago, kasenutty said: You need a Copenhagen wheel, Shad0z! Not this again.. ill be sure to pick one up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted June 6, 2018 Share Posted June 6, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said: Ah, that wasn't my video. Judging by some of the signs and trucks, I think it could be Singapore, Malaysia, or maybe the Phillipines? I always wear safety gear. My bad! Judging by some of your verbiage and jokes I thought for sure it was you. You still deserved a rep.? Edited June 6, 2018 by Rehab1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eddiemoy Posted June 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2018 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novazeus Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 2 hours ago, eddiemoy said: looks like u stop the v10f pretty good to me. did u inflate the tire to 40 psi(minewas at 20psi out of the box) and what is ur pedal tilt setting, ie level, front down or rear down? looks good dashing around ur neighborhood! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 4 hours ago, novazeus said: looks like u stop the v10f pretty good to me. did u inflate the tire to 40 psi(minewas at 20psi out of the box) and what is ur pedal tilt setting, ie level, front down or rear down? looks good dashing around ur neighborhood! I still havent checked the tire pressure. Pedal is level. I did this run again because I failed the audio and app recording. Tired, wobble and ended up falling off. I’ll put that video up later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eddiemoy Posted June 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2018 Here is the take 2 video of the one I posted earlier, sound and app working. But fell due to being too tired. I'm OK, lost a little skin, no blood. First time falling on an EUC. I should have fallen many times before but was able to escape it. Not this time. Not sure I like this view with the app on the side, takes away too much of the view. Enjoy... 12 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WARPed1701D Posted June 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2018 Glad you are OK. On the V8 I have wobbles under braking if my feet are too far back. Try moving them forward a little and see if that improves stability. Of course braking will be even harder because you are further forward. Did you check the tire pressure yet? I noticed that under the speed value in the app it has the text "Speed Control" and a value that varied between 22 and 25mph usually aligned with battery percentage which itself was going up and down with the current demand. I'm guessing this is the limit the alarm will sound and tilt back will begin. It gave an idea of the limit in real time and seemed to show that once you were below 50% it was limiting at about 22mph. I think the rubber finish on the pedals contributed to your fall. You ended up on just your heel and just before you jumped off I saw your heel sliding forward probably giving you the sensation of falling back, hence the jump off. I doubt grip tape would have slid. @houseofjob method placing the arch of his foot on the pedal edge seems to be the best way to counter slippage. I wonder if it is possible to ride with one foot further forward then the other to get max control of acceleration and braking. Scary how far the wheel continued without you. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eddiemoy Posted June 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, WARPed1701D said: Glad you are OK. On the V8 I have wobbles under braking if my feet are too far back. Try moving them forward a little and see if that improves stability. Of course braking will be even harder because you are further forward. Did you check the tire pressure yet? I noticed that under the speed value in the app it has the text "Speed Control" and a value that varied between 22 and 25mph usually aligned with battery percentage which itself was going up and down with the current demand. I'm guessing this is the limit the alarm will sound and tilt back will begin. It gave an idea of the limit in real time and seemed to show that once you were below 50% it was limiting at about 22mph. I think the rubber finish on the pedals contributed to your fall. You ended up on just your heel and just before you jumped off I saw your heel sliding forward probably giving you the sensation of falling back, hence the jump off. I doubt grip tape would have slid. @houseofjob method placing the arch of his foot on the pedal edge seems to be the best way to counter slippage. I wonder if it is possible to ride with one foot further forward then the other to get max control of acceleration and braking. Scary how far the wheel continued without you. The wobbles knocked my right foot off. It was pretty violent and quick. Those are the ones that are really bad, just like on a motorcycle. Not sure if the grip tape would have helped. Emergency stops at high speed is tricky especially if you are tired and causing wobbles already way before the attempt. It also doesn't help that I'm in my Crocs. They are slippery on the inside when sweaty. LOL. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve454 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 47 minutes ago, eddiemoy said: Not sure I like this view with the app on the side, takes away too much of the view. Very cool look at the app while riding. Maybe not for every video. Wow, that's a fast wheel. No wonder it went so far after you fell off. Lucky you were able to roll and not get hurt badly. And you even saved the camera and phone! The overspeed beeps were very easy to hear, your camera is very good, no wind noise at all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Demargon Posted June 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2018 Last downhill in my slick tire. Wait for the bloopers in the next video. Spoiler: I almost fall with my euc for a embankment 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasenutty Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 I couldn't understand that fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 25 minutes ago, steve454 said: Very cool look at the app while riding. Maybe not for every video. Wow, that's a fast wheel. No wonder it went so far after you fell off. Lucky you were able to roll and not get hurt badly. And you even saved the camera and phone! The overspeed beeps were very easy to hear, your camera is very good, no wind noise at all. I like seeing ride metrics along with a ride video. It helps provide perspective and learn a wheels characteristics which you can't do properly while riding and holding a phone yourself. I like the Sony camera software that allows a map and GPS related metrics to be overlaid. I believe you can take regular video and data recorded from a standard GPS or GPS recording map and do something similar by using the Garmin software intended for their cameras. I keep meaning to try it. @eddiemoy I too am impressed with the quality of the audio on your recent videos. I'm guessing an external mic? What do you use? Is the wind noise reduction simply a result of the mic being up inside the helmet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, kasenutty said: I couldn't understand that fall. I was tired, it was my second run of the night back to back to do the recording. You can see lots of wobbling throughout the ride. The tiredness caused my wobbles and the one that knocked me off was a really fast wobble. It knocked my right foot off and I fell off still leaning back. LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eddiemoy Posted June 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, WARPed1701D said: I like seeing ride metrics along with a ride video. It helps provide perspective and learn a wheels characteristics which you can't do properly while riding and holding a phone yourself. I like the Sony camera software that allows a map and GPS related metrics to be overlaid. I believe you can take regular video and data recorded from a standard GPS or GPS recording map and do something similar by using the Garmin software intended for their cameras. I keep meaning to try it. @eddiemoy I too am impressed with the quality of the audio on your recent videos. I'm guessing an external mic? What do you use? Is the wind noise reduction simply a result of the mic being up inside the helmet? It is an external mic, the zoom h1 with a lav mic on my shirt. it is more work, but makes the video bearable. i hate wind noise and I don't have any cool audio tracks. lol zoom h1: https://amzn.to/2su37Ez lav mic https://amzn.to/2IPfnKN 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, eddiemoy said: It is an external mic, the zoom h1 with a lav mic on my shirt. it is more work, but makes the video bearable. i hate wind noise and I don't have any cool audio tracks. lol zoom h1: https://amzn.to/2su37Ez lav mic https://amzn.to/2IPfnKN Nice setup. The quality shows and the effort appreciated. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Eisenman Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 16 hours ago, Shad0z said: Not this again.. ill be sure to pick one up @Shad0z I decided to buy a gimbal. It's for a Yi action cam 'and some other action cams'. It's going to be interesting to see if my 'non-Yi' cam fits it. I think it will. Arrives Friday. https://www.amazon.com/YI-Gimbal-Handheld-Stabilizer-Cameras/dp/B01CW4CFKO Copenhagen....wow! Sounds nice. After a thirty mile ride yesterday I crossed paths with a girl your age riding a bicycle. She said...'cool'. I'll bet she would like a Copenhagen wheel. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post houseofjob Posted June 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) @eddiemoy glad you're relatively ok. Don't ride in crocs man (at least at speed), no ability for minute foot manipulation (heel-toe), almost as bad as flip-flops. Also, I personally could never ride any InMotion wheels with feet so close up against the side shell, this contributes to the wobbling (as well as if you do parallel feet positioning) 3 hours ago, WARPed1701D said: I think the rubber finish on the pedals contributed to your fall. You ended up on just your heel and just before you jumped off I saw your heel sliding forward probably giving you the sensation of falling back, hence the jump off. I doubt grip tape would have slid. @houseofjob method placing the arch of his foot on the pedal edge seems to be the best way to counter slippage. I wonder if it is possible to ride with one foot further forward then the other to get max control of acceleration and braking. I doubt it's the rubber pedal inserts. Many first-time InMotion owners are not used to thin wheels, being used to the super-thick style Gotways, King Songs, etc., so often complain of wobbles. Key IMHO: wider feet / leg positioning, never right up against the shell (obviously within what your body physics allows) always favor more weight on one of your legs (basics of skiing technique) .... and ..... 3 hours ago, WARPed1701D said: I wonder if it is possible to ride with one foot further forward then the other to get max control of acceleration and braking. This is how I ALWAYS ride! If you ride typically with set-it-and-forget-it-feet, equally parallel in the same mirrored position on the pedals, you create only one pivot point of weight equilibrium, which means your body weight, to change the equilibrium in a controlled fashion, has to rock back its full movement range, however minute, to change force manipulation of the gyro, causing unnecessary delay. When you ride offset feet, one foot up, one foot back, you create 2, instant pivot points, where you can transfer your weight much more controlled and faster to more quickly change force manipulation of the gyro. This positioning, which I kind of refer to as 'riding diagonally' (also pivoting your body a bit as if you were riding a board), also helps eliminate wobbles at all speeds, and is good for wind too, as you can fully go board-style horizontal, making your body more aerodynamic to cut the wind. Edited June 7, 2018 by houseofjob 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, houseofjob said: @eddiemoy glad you're relatively ok. Don't ride in crocs man (at least at speed), no ability for minute foot manipulation (heel-toe), almost as bad as flip-flops. Also, I personally could never ride any InMotion wheels with feet so close up against the side shell, this contributes to the wobbling (as well as if you do parallel feet positioning) I doubt it's the rubber pedal inserts. Many first-time InMotion owners are not used to thin wheels, being used to the super-thick style Gotways, King Songs, etc., so often complain of wobbles. Key IMHO: wider feet / leg positioning, never right up against the shell (obviously within what your body physics allows) always favor more weight on one of your legs (basics of skiing technique) .... and ..... This is how I ALWAYS ride! If you ride typically with set-it-and-forget-it-feet, equally parallel in the same mirrored position on the pedals, you create only one pivot point of weight equilibrium, which means your body weight, to change the equilibrium in a controlled fashion, has to rock back its full movement range, however minute, to change force manipulation of the gyro, causing unnecessary delay. When you ride offset feet, one foot up, one foot back, you create 2, instant pivot points, where you can transfer your weight much more controlled and faster to more quickly change force manipulation of the gyro. This positioning, which I kind of refer to as 'riding diagonally' (also pivoting your body a bit as if you were riding a board), also helps eliminate wobbles at all speeds. Thanks Chris, I was thinking it was my fatigue. But now that I think about it, the day before when I was riding around the parking lot, I might have had a slightly looser stance. Will test it out. Interesting technique about staggering your stance. Need to try this out also. Edited June 7, 2018 by eddiemoy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 3 hours ago, eddiemoy said: Here is the take 2 video of the one I posted earlier, sound and app working. But fell due to being too tired. I'm OK, lost a little skin, no blood. First time falling on an EUC. I should have fallen many times before but was able to escape it. Not this time. Not sure I like this view with the app on the side, takes away too much of the view. Enjoy... Good job getting back on the horse ASAP. I suspect the wobbles is due to pushing performance and getting fatigue. How is your TSG Pass helmet holding up? I do hope you yourself are fine despite the scratching in pride. (Pad on shoulder) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARPed1701D Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, houseofjob said: @eddiemoy glad you're relatively ok. Don't ride in crocs man (at least at speed), no ability for minute foot manipulation (heel-toe), almost as bad as flip-flops. Also, I personally could never ride any InMotion wheels with feet so close up against the side shell, this contributes to the wobbling (as well as if you do parallel feet positioning) I doubt it's the rubber pedal inserts. Many first-time InMotion owners are not used to thin wheels, being used to the super-thick style Gotways, King Songs, etc., so often complain of wobbles. Key IMHO: wider feet / leg positioning, never right up against the shell (obviously within what your body physics allows) always favor more weight on one of your legs (basics of skiing technique) .... and ..... This is how I ALWAYS ride! If you ride typically with set-it-and-forget-it-feet, equally parallel in the same mirrored position on the pedals, you create only one pivot point of weight equilibrium, which means your body weight, to change the equilibrium in a controlled fashion, has to rock back its full movement range, however minute, to change force manipulation of the gyro, causing unnecessary delay. When you ride offset feet, one foot up, one foot back, you create 2, instant pivot points, where you can transfer your weight much more controlled and faster to more quickly change force manipulation of the gyro. This positioning, which I kind of refer to as 'riding diagonally' (also pivoting your body a bit as if you were riding a board), also helps eliminate wobbles at all speeds. I've always ridden my V8 with my feet placed identically on the pedals. Heel in with the padding of my walking boots against the shell and toes pointing out in a V. Most of the ball of my foot hanging over the front of the pedal. Rest of the wheel floating between my legs. I'm going to have to try going wider and diagonal. You are right that I use my entire body to control the wheel and that just means slower responses to shift all that mass around. I've not had any problems so far but have found my foot position means I over accelerate the 800W V8 a lot (warning beeps from over-current) and braking is not as quick as I'd like. Great tips. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eddiemoy Posted June 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Unventor said: Good job getting back on the horse ASAP. I suspect the wobbles is due to pushing performance and getting fatigue. How is your TSG Pass helmet holding up? I do hope you yourself are fine despite the scratching in pride. (Pad on shoulder) Don't worry, no ego here, so no issues with pride. LOL Only reason for getting up quickly was because it wasn't a bad fall. I had a really bad fall on a boosted board over a month ago, still recovering. TSG Pass helmet is great. Love it. Initially the face shield was loose, just had to tighten it. Edited June 7, 2018 by eddiemoy 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kour Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 @eddiemoy dude! glad you're ok! 18 mph is not a good speed to go down while riding! nice test run, too 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) @eddiemoy, I too am also glad you are okay, but really, someone like you with your high level of skill should not be falling over like that. I feel like the wheel was at fault and not you. This wouldn't happen on your KS18s even if you were tired. Edited June 7, 2018 by Edddeus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemoy Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Edddeus said: @eddiemoy, I too am also glad you are okay, but really, someone like you with your high level of skill should not be falling over like that. I feel like the wheel was at fault and not you. This wouldn't happen your on a KS18s even if you were tired. the two rides i went on on the first day i had zero wobble. I'm still trying to figure out why I get the wobbles. I still get the wobbles on the KS18S, but they are not that bad and I usually can stop them. This was weird. I do know when I'm tired especially if my legs are tired, it happens. Have to see if changing my stance does anything. I don't get wobbles on my KS16 at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unventor Posted June 7, 2018 Share Posted June 7, 2018 1 minute ago, eddiemoy said: the two rides i went on on the first day i had zero wobble. I'm still trying to figure out why I get the wobbles. I still get the wobbles on the KS18S, but they are not that bad and I usually can stop them. This was weird. I do know when I'm tired especially if my legs are tired, it happens. Have to see if changing my stance does anything. I don't get wobbles on my KS16 at all. Best tip I can give you with my n00b experience...But might work just as good for you as it did for me. Got this by reading riding dynamics thread. Step off the wheel. I rest my toe front top on the tarmac and kinda move feet around in a circle maybe 10-20 sec. Then the other foot Then I step back on the wheel. It does 2 things for me. 1) I get a new feet/balance position. 2) I get blood flow back briefly in my fatigued foot/shine. I guess a new wheel you new to adjust muscle memory. The heavier the wheel it the move I would expect it to impact. I could be wrong but this seems to move my riding to a more relaxed posture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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