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Facebook event page: NYC KS-18XL Demo Sunday 10/28 11AM Chelsea Piers - Fresh & Co special thanks: eWheels.com

All NYC EU riders, please subscribe to this thread! I'd like this to be a central thread where we can discuss pertinent issues surrounding riding the EU's in the great city of NYC, set up a time to get together and ride, and share tips/pointers. Looking forward to this thread growing in number!

Sooo @cloudust beat me to the punch in posting my initial impressions YouTube vid on the forums here.... the Ninebot Z thirst is real! ? LOL First, as much as I always dole praise on @Jason McNeil of eWheels.com, I must do so again: Thank God we have you in the US as our local PEV dealer and thank you for so graciously agreeing to ship this demo Ninebot Z unit on a 4-city US tour to your loyal fan customer base. Call me biased, yes, but I cannot help it: I've been screwed over by enough Joe Schmo middle man EUC sellers and cold-shoulder-go-to-your-distributor EUC co's to know not to take YOU for granted (and for those who don't know, one of my long-drawn ordeals is what led me to Jason in the first place, helping me on a wheel issue where the wheel was never purchased from Jason/eWheels). I will post as much nuanced content as I can on the Z to this thread throughout the week we have the Z here in NYC, complete with my incoherent ramblings and self-manufactured terminologies! (not joking, they really could be incoherent, I'm running on 2-3 hours sleep, neglecting my day job as we speak, each day we have this wheel... ?) Catching everyone up to speed, I'm on Day 3 (approx. 50 miles in) of extensive daily city riding with the eWheels.com demo Z10 (trying to shake off the initial euphoria, as is the case with all new wheels). And please remember to keep in mind, these are my rider biases (if you don't know of me or can't read my signature on mobile): I ❤️ big & wide wheels. Bigger & wider the better! (err, maybe not as big as that DIY 26" KS18 of past cult fame) That said, I've owned (not simply tested) almost every size, shape, and major manufacturer EUC model now (see my sig), and that's on purpose, because you'll never truly know a wheel without putting in the mileage, all models are slightly-to-drastically different. I ride daily, rain or shine. My only walking comes in the form of running 3-10 miles a day. I'm not a hill or offroad guy. I live in the capitol of Flatland City, Urban America, New York fudgin' City. Besides, @Marty Backe does a fantastic job with that on his socials. You might have read, but I have weird theories on riding on every nook and cranny of my pedals with my feet (wide, offset, edges, tip-toes) or my butt (seated, yeah!) except the standard set-it-and-forget-it parallel 11's foot positioning. I want every bit of leverage and angle of bending / carving I can get out of every wheel I ride dammit! (I also realize this is not the case with most riders on this forum.) I am not the riskiest of risk-taking risky top speed EUC riders. Yes, I do occasionally hit 30mph maxes, but the stars and the moons have to align. My average speed in this city carving stop-and-go car traffic is ~26mph, 28-30mph for passing car speed. I am 175 lbs rider weight (working on getting that back to 165 lbs *smh), so probably just a smidge under 190 lbs with backpack weight. Now,.... Let's tackle some of the heavy-hitters right off the bat, shall we? Because that's really what everyone's itching to [somewhat] resolve/inform, right? (again, all my own opinions, feel free to agree with nothing I say because I have no clue what I'm talking about ??) ===================================== PART I The Main Attraction: 4.1" Wide 18" Ninebot-branded CST Tubeless Tire Shock Absorbing? Unfortunately, not as I would have hoped ?, especially being in a pothole-infested city like NYC. It's not terrible though, and being super wide at 4.1", as long as you're not hitting the kind of bumps that make you catch small air, the overall massive dense weight of the Z10 (more on that later) will plant you to the ground in a very stable manor. Any hint of air you catch though, is met with a very solid thud (no bounce back) that if you don't cushion with your knees can reverberate up your being. Letting out some of the air did help, and as we test ride more, I will possibly try deflating a bit more to see if this gains more absorption/bounce (no, I did not measure PSI, but it felt very much like the max rated 32 or higher out of the box). My theory: the culprit here is the tire composition (yes, those who know me, know I champion this subject). Being tubeless with thick consistency (not sure how much ratio of rubber there is in there), I think it's very reminiscent of how e-kick scooter folk hate solid rubber tires for the same lack of absorption you usually get with a pneumatic air tire, especially in the absence of proper suspension. Maneuverability? This is always tricky, because my comfort with turning / carving bigger wheels is not necessarily your comfort with turning / carving bigger wheels (if you even want to take an effort to [learn] doing so). As with all bigger diameter wheels in the 18"+ tire category, the common refrain is "use more upper body to turn". Well, considering the Z10 sports now a 4.1" wide, at least ~50% wider than most EUC tires made today (Even the 2.75" wide 22" Monster tire!), you might need more than just the usual increased upper body / hip twists to achieve deep carves (obviously, body dimension/physics dependent). For me, my feet are constantly moving and pivoting, sometimes hanging off the pedal at non-traditional angles, so I can achieve deep carves on the Z quite satisfactorily (yes, albeit with more body movement). But I can see how set-it-and-forget-it, close to the shell, parallel 11 feet, "I want the wheel to turn by itself" guys will say it's less maneuverable than smaller diameter wheels. The dense 55 lb wheel weight & short stubby OG Ninebot pedals also compound this I suspect. Stability? This is where the Z10 surprised me, and in a good way, the best way! (though we heard brief early reports of this quality in passing) Quite logically, the Z10 having a wider tire, though being slightly curved and not flat (like the OneWheel tire or a car tire) gives you a wider base, which equals more stability and more distance traveled falling one direction before rider-correcting to the opposite direction. Combined with the greater mass density, which contributes to a slower initial momentum, you can really (with proper technique) control this wheel at slower speeds to the point of crawling next to pedestrians, and switching pivot axis really quickly. While in motion, the wide combined with the mass equates into hugging the road over small bumps better, only catching air for the more jagged and bigger divots (though again, the dense rubber tire composition does not absorb shocks). Think of a boulder chasing Indiana Jones or something similar (am I dating myself? Lol) Acceleration / Braking Acceleration With the Z10, Ninebot has re-introduced hardness pedal sensitivity settings again from the One 16" series days ( @Tishawn Fahie had reminded me that they had removed this for the 14" S2/S1/A1 series for some unknown reason). This time, the settings are only from 0 to 4 (as opposed to I think the 16" series was 0-10), with 0 again being the hardest response. Unfortunately, this is not the top tier stiffness/hardness of a 0-setting 16" One or 14" S2, but I would equate the 0-setting Z10 to around slightly less hard a response than a sport-mode Gotway Tesla, and comparable or slightly harder than my Ride-Mode KS18S (was that the name of the hardest KS setting? haven't opened up my crappy KS app in ages Lol - still don't want to!). However, due to the mass, to really initiate from-rest acceleration, especially uphill, you need to swing more weight force into the Z10 pedals, almost reminiscent to the way you need to really swing the sport-mode MSuperV3 pedals to initiate acceleration from rest (albeit, with more resistance to the Z, not in that glidy, floaty, effortless Gotway thing the MSuperV3 & Monster motor do). In other words, the power and acceleration in the ballpark of other 2kW nominal motor models IS there (just below the 84V Gotways), but you have to work / lean for it more. Also, interestingly, though it takes time for me to gain trust with any new wheel, so far I was not able to overcurrent/overcharge (ie. fast acceleration uphill) the Z10, whereas I was able to do so on the V10F. Braking I think the Z10 is the first EUC where you can specifically select the braking behavior, called "Assisted-braking" in the app (see my Z10 Initial Impressions YouTube below). It's just a toggle between enabled and disabled. When enabled, leaning back to brake will have little tension, more swing. I guess this supposedly "assists" your braking, but I was never a fan of that feel (see MSuperV3, reportedly SoloWheel does/did this too), so I've been constantly toggling that feature off (the demo Z10 keeps forgetting just this one particular setting for some reason; they might have fixed this in the updated FW that the NB app keeps prompting me to update too, but I have bad memories of Ninebot One 16" Firmware-gate: Faceplanting of the Ninebots a couple(?) of years back, so we'll just keep ignoring that FW prompt, thank you very much!). So with the braking 'assist' turned off, braking is sufficiently hard IMHO, and every NYC rider who's been on the Z10 so far has agreed with me, FWIW. Heaviness I brought this up at the end of my Z10 Initial Impressions vid, but the Z10 has to be (might be wrong) the heaviest 18" EUC at ~55 lbs, and not packing a very efficient battery-to-wheel weight-ratio, as my KS18S with an extra 680Wh more battery is 4 lbs lighter. This heaviness factor is both a minus (obvious lifting implications) and plus (the aforementioned grounded/planted-ness for bumps) IMHO. Walk-up apartment residents and high heighted car trunk owners beware! Not really sure why this is, but my guess is the tubeless tire & motor weight (could be wrong). Alright, gonna part-by-part more impressions/observations + video content progressively on this thread, as this short analysis got dense real quick! If you stuck by this long, your Ninebot Z thirst is strong!

ninebot One Z NYC Demo Group Ride [RESCHEDULED] (sponsored by eWheels.com) Sunday June 10 12PM **Please note change in Meet Location:Ellington in the Park (UWS)W 105th St Riverside Drhttps://www.yelp.com/biz/ellington-in-the-park-new-york-2RAINOUT DATE: Monday, June 11, 6PM, same location FB RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/177198386272087

**DUE TO RAIN, THE GROUP DEMO RIDE HAS BEEN RESCHEDULED TO SATURDAY THE 14TH, SAME MEET LOCATION. InMotion V10F NYC Demo Group Ride Saturday April 14th 12PM meet @ Tavern on the Green / Central Park West For anyone in the NYC area, please come & join us to demo the new InMotion V10F, sponsored by the good folks at InMotion US! Bring rider friends! RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/518830188510627/

For the NYC rider folk, please join us for the first group ride of the year! Date + Time: Sunday March 4th 10AM Weather: Sunny, 47ºF Where Meet Location #1: 10AM Tavern on the Green Meet Location #2: 11AM City Hall Park at the Jacob Mould Fountain (across from the Brooklyn Bridge entrance) RSVP: https://www.facebook.com/events/181252295821094/?active_tab=about

THE MONSTER IS HERE pls watch my video https://youtu.be/ZfOBqGAOy1Q

Are the Ninebot One and Minipros legal in NYC, as in riding in the bike lanes? Thanks! I'm torn between these and an ecoreco electric scooter or an URB-E for commuting.

Hi, I'm looking to buy a KS-16s or KS-14s. I live in NYC and I found this site https://euc.nyc Did anyone ever buy anything from them? are they reliable? can i see the wheel before I buy it?

I know there are many people who have posted their first days learning so I'm hoping this will entertain/inform anyone who takes the time to read! Quick facts about me: 1. This is my first time ever on an EU 2. I consider myself an active person; I love to play basketball and love snowboarding! I enjoy hiking, road-biking, and other active stuff 3. Slim build, I weight approx 155 lbs (70kg) 4. Motivation for the EU was for commuting to work in NYC (see how I came to choose GW14 here) and it seemed like a lot of fun Finally, I want to give shout-outs to Admin esaj, Gotway/Kingsong reseller Kevin Lee (kevin.lee@silverland.com.hk), and the many who gave helpful feedback on my post in #4 and the rest of this EU forum community! Day 1 Like others here, I was like a child on Christmas day getting my package - couldn't wait! Pics of Gotway 14 340 Hz just out of box and then with the pads. The whole process from order to door took 8 days! Ordered on 6/17 and received package in NJ from Hong Kong on 6/25. During my waiting period, I continued to do research and made some preparations. I realized I would benefit greatly from the GW android app that is available as it is able to set the riding mode (soft medium hard), turn OFF first 2 levels of annoying truck-in-reverse-beeps, and show your speed in km (which is important so you know when the 'shut-off' speed hits and you don't faceplant). B/C I have an iphone and iOS isn't supported, I purchased a used 4.1 android smartphone on eBay for $50 to use for the previously stated reasons and as a wifi multi-media device (but no cellular service - I like my iphone very much ). For protection, I borrowed my fiance's dual-splint wrist guards she used while learning to snowboard this past winter. Finally, before heading out, I watched this Ninebot One tuturial a couple times. I got to spend about 1.5 hrs outside. Luckily, I found an empty parking lot for a bagel-shop near my apartment complex just across from me and it even had a hand rail for me to utilize! Perfect as it was off to the side where I could practice without getting everyone's attention. I spent a good 45-50 min trying to just stay on and go a few yards. I tried to simply go back and forth and get more comfortable with the feel of the wheel while relying heavily on the hand rail next to me. I couldn't get on without using the rail for the life of me and really, I felt like I didn't make much progress. I also wasn't sure which foot to use as my "lead" foot when mounting. The dude in the above tutorial uses his right foot to 'Control the vehicle by one foot' and that confused me b/c it felt unnatural (I just realized now that he suggests using your left if its more comfortable). During this time, I kept thinking, in order to gain balance, you need to be relaxed and ensure your center of gravity isn't falling to any side too much. I then started thinking about snowboarding and back to when I first learned to carve. It made me remember how being scared always hampered my progress so I decided to stop using the rails. I then "lead" with my left foot, ditching the right foot "lead" approach. After a good 15 long minutes of frustration and no success, it occurred to me that carving in snowboarding requires you to lean your weight forward to maneuver your board. So I did just that, lead with my left foot, hopped on with my right, and immediately leaned slightly forward to move and gain balance and BAM! It all clicked!! The progress was very sudden, like Tellah learning to cast "meteor" all of a sudden (does anyone get that reference?). So for the next 25 or so minutes, I was cruising around in circles in the empty parking lot and it felt really nice. I saw my sister get off the bus stop a few good yards away so I tried to make my way to her and cross the street but sadly crashed my wheel to the ground and had to hop off. I def still have some ways to go but am very pleased after my first day! Can't wait to hop on tomorrow, I hope it doesn't rain...

If you're in the NYC area on 08/19, come join us for a group ride, all PEV welcome! Date: August 19th Time: 9 AM Meet: Jacob Mould Fountain benches at City Hall Park (near the Brooklyn Bridge Manhattan-side entrance) Route: http://on.nyc.gov/1jPOgNG [Note: in case of pouring rain, I will update this post and the FB invite] FB invite link: https://www.facebook.com/events/111679759502581

For all NYC area riders, which Saturday would you prefer to [group] ride Summer Streets 2017? (check all preferences above) Thanks! (running the same poll on the FB NYC Electric Rideables Group Ride page here)

If you're in the NYC area this weekend, please join us for a group ride that includes both Roosevelt & Randall Island loops, along with a lunch stop at Bohemian Hall & Beer Garden in Astoria Queens. All e-rideables welcome! ROUTE: https://goo.gl/maps/Fn5wNakF3nT2 LUNCH: Bohemian Hall & Beer Garden More information on the FB event description below: https://www.facebook.com/events/314677438983767/

If you're in the NYC area this weekend, please join us for a group ride from Central Park West / Columbus Circle, across the George Washington Bridge into New Jersey for All You Can Eat Korean BBQ. All e-rideables welcome! More information on the FB event description below: https://www.facebook.com/events/1835137346724309

I bought my first wheel (ninebot E+) 6 weeks ago and have been learning/riding on my own in my neighbourhood. I don't get to ride a whole lot due to other commitments and have only done 65km and 14 hours ride time. Riding around on the streets of NYC is not the easiest for beginners and I'm looking for people to ride with and have some fun!

Re-posting NYC Hoodriderz Meetup for tomorrow, Sunday 2/26 12PM: Hoodriderz Social Roll

Hi, just moved to New York City and looking to buy a GotWay (not sure which model yet). Is there a place in NYC where I can buy it?

[SOLD, Thanks all!] Selling a Like New, Pre-Owned NINEBOT ONE S2 Asking Price: $650 Location: NYC, USA Product Page: Ninebot One S2 (click here if you cannot see the images below)

All, Happy to announce I have taken shipment of the long awaited IPS Zero 340wh units. US retailer based in NJ (edge of NYC). Please PM for more info on purchasing. Thanks! John

Hi, I've not yet committed to purchasing an eWheel but it has piqued my interest. I am considering purchasing one for my commute in NYC after getting off the bus, which is a distance of approx 1.5 miles. Does anyone have any experience on how difficult it is to navigate on crowded streets full of pedestrians? I would try to avoid Times Square and the unnecessarily busy streets but as it is NYC, there's no such thing as an empty street during rush hour in midtown. Next, based on the threads I've read, it seems that the gotway 14 is a popular choice. Can anyone comment on which wheel would best suit crowded city commuting? would the GW14 be a bad idea here? Thanks!!