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  1. Today was the day! Finally, after 65km ride on my e-bike this morning and the long weekend almost over I decided to finish tightening the screws with locktite on a new Swallowbot Controller board I got back in early November of 2019. I really should not have waited so long. I installed the new Swallowbot firmware updated controller into an almost new MiniPro with less than 10km on it. I had previously used this unit to test the Chinese controller board that was briefly for sale last year on Amazon and e-bay that was advertised as having Swallowbot. That one appeared to be an early version of the ninebot controller, and was not bad, but did not have any increase in the top speed. I've never known where the name Swallowbot came from, but maybe that was the name the original design team gave the machine. The MiniPro I used has the original tires on it, compared to my daily driver which has the larger Sport tires on it. 1. Installation was a snap, and unlike the earlier board purchased from China this one had the proper shorter motor wires, which is actually a good safety feature. it did not have the paper backing over the board. 2. I was very surprised, I did not connect to the MiniPro with the App after installing the board, and it was working at full speed. I never had to go through the training tutorial again, do the initial 1km training period, or remove any speed limit, it just worked straight out of the box. Now I'm scared to connect to it with the App in case it resets all that, I may never connect the app to the device again, although I will miss the battery stats which are very useful to me on my 3 battery long trips, and just for monitoring battery health. I may get brave and connect the app after I use it for a while. 3. It's so nice! Compared to the original controller and following updates, it's a dream. I can honestly say the product would be 10 times more popular if its shipped from Segway like this. They are completely responsible for the failed market for these machines. There are no beeps when hitting small bumps, navigating simple trails, or going up or down small inclines/declines. There is just the speed beep at the top end, and the beep itself is way less annoying. 4. How Fast? OK I know this is all you really care about, and most not even that since it's all been done before. Since I did not connect the App to the device once I found that it was working, I only have GPS data to go by and feel; it was faster and it was smoother. It was faster than my regular MiniPro with the larger wheels, and it had the small ones. My GPS tracker said I got the beep at just over 23km/h, a couple of times the beep did not register until I was already going over 25km/h. That feels like when I'm riding my EUC in semi casual mode, a little faster than if I'm trying to be very observant of nature, but not cruising to my next destination. It should be really nice once I put on the larger tires, I'm planning on putting the Hybrid tires on this one. [Update: connected the app, it says speed is limited to 23 km/h and this aligns with the GPS data, so everything seems to be as advertised.] I noticed that M4M is currently sold out of the control boards, but they are now offering software updates using an App. Right now though you need to have Android and the WhatsApp (spyware ) messaging software. I don't know if they can use anything else. I am tempted to try if for my S-Plus, as it just collects dust, but with an upgrade I would use it.
  2. WARNING ** THIS BATTERY MAY LIMIT YOUR TOP SPEED ** OVERVIEW: More4Mini is selling a new 3rd-Party battery made for them by the OEM WorldPower Shenzhen World Electric Co. Ltd. “Extended Range Replacement Battery for Segway miniPRO - 355wh 6400mAh” Specifications are listed as: Model: WP-DMR-01 Configuration: 15S2P Voltage: 55.5VDC Capacity: 355Wh / 6400mAh Listed on the battery is LG INR18650, implying that it is based on 18650 cells by LG, The More4Mini website also states that LG cells are used, but could not provide the specific model number of the cells. So it is really just about name-dropping, and not about verifiable specifications. Somewhat useful given the problems with battery manufacturing, but lacking for a technical product. If we can assume the specifications are done similar to the original batteries, then the 355Wh / 6400mAh hour capacity would be when charged to 63V rather than the 55.5V Nominal voltage, or the 59.5V used by the standard North American Charger. More4Mini claims a 20% increase in mileage, but does not have any basis for this statement that they were willing to share. Based on the full Wh or mAh capacity, the increase would be somewhere between 12% and 14%, but the dynamics for estimating the increase are too varied given the potentially different discharge profile of the battery, and the operating environment variables such as rider weight, terrain, individual user’s speed/acceleration profile, enforced speed reductions by the MiniPro, etc. I would assume the stated 20% increase would be based on the 59.5V charge of the standard charger, but it is not explicitly stated. COST METRICS: Using the full 355Wh spec and the current cost of $200US, this works out to $0.56/Wh, which is an OK price, but not a super deal in terms of pure $/Wh. The Segway 310Wh battery, based on More4Mini pricing ($255) works out to $0.82/Wh which is on the expensive side. Keep in mind one is not getting the full capacity of these batteries if using the stock charger, so the real theoretical cost is higher. The actual cost would need to measure the actual Watt/Hours used during operating the device as all these numbers are nominal and can vary widely from actual use on the widely varying motor load of the MiniPro. Raw cost of 18650 capacity for a general consumer ranges from $0.20-$0.80/Wh ($0.40 for quality cells), and one would actually expect to get a discount when buying in bulk such as a battery pack as the extra electronics usually are very inexpensive. so a cost of $0.40/Wh is good value in a pack like this, but since it is custom with limited demand, the $0.56/Wh cost of this battery is reasonable. TESTING: I bought this battery just for fun, and to see how well it worked with the MiniPro. I feel the reported increase in capacity is not enough for someone to want to upgrade their battery, but if one is looking for a new battery or a second battery, then the increased capacity would be nice. It should be able to maintaining a higher top-speed for longer at the very least, and that is useful as I really hate how the MiniPro must reduce top speed as the battery is discharged. The battery weighed 1923g. This is roughly 110g less than a fully charged Segway 310Wh battery. The voltage of the battery when delivered was 57.9V. The battery is sealed, so I won’t be ripping it open today before testing. The standard charger connector is used with the threaded collar just as the original, and the connector cover is good. I like the charge connector cover better than the original, it stays put, and I think it will last as long. The battery did not include the small rubber insulators/seals/washers for the 4 screw holes, but it does have the recesses for them. This is unfortunate, but not a huge deal. There is a little LED on the back of the battery, or at least a window for one, but it does not blink or do anything when the battery is not connected to a charger. There was no light on the battery when connected to a charger either, at least not at its current charge state. I suspect the light is non functional. NO BMS COMMUNICATION. As expected the battery has no communication from the BMS in the pack (I presume there is one), with the MiniPro, so there is “no” battery information provided in the App. The App shows the speed is limited to 10km/h on my Segway, I’m using v4.0 of the Ninebot App, and I’ll have to check the firmware version. Alexey from More4Mini, said he was not speed limited, but did not use the App. I will need to do a road test to see if that is true, but I’m not very hopeful as I think the firmware has limited the speed with the battery. If true this is a real show-stopper, if it just means one cannot use the App when using the battery this is less of an issue, but inconvenient since you won't be able to watch your speed. tried charging the battery from its delivered state using the stock Ninebot charger specified as 59.5V (OC Voltage measures 59.61V). After 80 minutes the charger light turned to the undocumented yellow/amberish color, the battery measured 59.18V (charger connected), then at 90min it had turned to green and the battery measured 59.21V (charger connected). The ending voltage of the battery (charger disconnected, 15+ min rest) was 59.15V. So it would appear that charging the battery with the stock MiniPro charger worked as expected. I moved it onto a 63V charger, since I figured at this point it was best to have a full charge on the batteries. After 45min the charger had a green light, and I didn’t give it any extra balance or top up time, the battery measured 62.3V Unfortunately the road-test failed. Speed was severely limited I could not not ride it, it was just too annoying. Tilt-back would just bring me to a standstill as I tried to go up a small incline near my place. it worked ok for a 5km/h, or less, trip to the garbage bins, but anything more than that it was not tolerable for me. Since it was dark and starting to snow I didn’t spend any time trying different things. I never connected with the App after installing the battery, so clearly, as is pretty well understood, the firmware was limiting the speed. I used my oldest Segway but it uses, v1.4.0 firmware and I don’t plan to update it as I’ve heard nothing about the latest updates and I’m worried they will restrict the 63V chargers or may other annoying changes as they have done in the past. It is hard to downgrade the firmware and I don't want to mess with that. CONCLUSION: I’d recommend sticking with the official batteries if you are on firmware 1.4.0 or later as this battery is not really usable with a 10km/h limit (or possibly even slower before tiltback kicks in). Maybe someone else will test it with earlier firmware or More4Mini will provide more information on what is required to remove the speed restriction, but it seems to work the same as all the other 3rd-Party batteries so I’m not sure anything really can be done outside of changing the firmware. I guess this was a case of too-good-to-be-true.
  3. We receive several great pictures on how M4M Scout Frame for Segway miniPRO is used by filmmakers, videographers, contractors, etc. Here are some nice pictures. We just released M4M Scout Frame 2.0 that includes special heavy duty fenders. Lets hope more pictures of how this frame helps to use Segway miniPRO for work will arrive soon.
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