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  1. Hello all, My minipro worked fine for a few weeks and then all of a sudden it stopped displaying the battery level on the bottom of the minipro. Now when I try to connect to the app the minipro beeps once, the app says "connecting" for about 30 seconds and then says "bluetooth connection failed." I tried doing a factory reset by turning it upside down and hitting the power button but the wheels just turn in opposite alternating directions indefinitely and on one side a green light turns on. I haven't been able to find anyone experiencing this same set of issues online. Hoping someone has a method to troubleshoot this.
  2. Hi, Has anyone tried the Hybrid Tires for the MiniPro sold by ninebot/MoreForMini in the US? Looking for comments on using this tire as a general replacement for the stock tire. How does it compare on Asphalt, concrete, gravel, dirt? I've heard the Off-Road tire was OK on some terrain, but also makes the one issue with the two wheel devices of the two tires meeting different resistance (due to terrain or obstacles) more serious. Thanks!
  3. Anyone have pictures of their light mods for the mini/mini-pro? here is my ugly, but very functional mod. The headlight does put the slightest imbalance that causes the mini to roll forward sometimes i will counter weight it shortly. Uses an extra light i had sitting around, a Klarus G20 with Keeppower 26650 6500mAh battery. It has quite a wide beam which really help to see all road and and imperfections such as dips even in the darkest conditions. I rarely use it on high though. It is also a handy 3rd hand when i need a light digging into my pack or something. The attachment is quite ugly and if the mini tips forward the light bezel is the first thing that makes contact with the ground. It's SS so not much of an issue, but i may put a rubber protector on it. Only used it for a couple of weeks, and only a couple days as a permanent mount shown here. The tail tight is just a cheap big tail light mounted with typical bicycle rubber strap mount. I leave it in a flashing mode. Another cheap Cyrolite Hotshot Micro tail lamp is on my helmet now.
  4. There is a new app on mimod.ru, 'NINEbattery v1.6' that you can freely download for Android: https://mimod.ru/en_US/ninebattery/ This a MUST-HAVE for every MiniPro (or ninebot scooter) owner, because it shows the status of EVERY CELL in the battery pack (actually, in the miniPRO the cells are two paralled LG cells, the combined voltage is shown). No longer do you have to wait for a battery pack to fail, you will be able to see weak cells before they get bad enough to make your miniPRO fail (and throw you). I tried it on both my N3M320 and N3M260 models, screenshots below. I found some difficulty connecting with Bluetooth, but bringing up the Segway app talking to the miniPRO, then killing it and bringing up NINEbattery, seemed the most reliable way to get a Bluetooth connection. Internet connectivity is not required. Many thanks to Alexei and Alexander for this wonderful addition to my toolbox!
  5. Today was the day! Finally, after 65km ride on my e-bike this morning and the long weekend almost over I decided to finish tightening the screws with locktite on a new Swallowbot Controller board I got back in early November of 2019. I really should not have waited so long. I installed the new Swallowbot firmware updated controller into an almost new MiniPro with less than 10km on it. I had previously used this unit to test the Chinese controller board that was briefly for sale last year on Amazon and e-bay that was advertised as having Swallowbot. That one appeared to be an early version of the ninebot controller, and was not bad, but did not have any increase in the top speed. I've never known where the name Swallowbot came from, but maybe that was the name the original design team gave the machine. The MiniPro I used has the original tires on it, compared to my daily driver which has the larger Sport tires on it. 1. Installation was a snap, and unlike the earlier board purchased from China this one had the proper shorter motor wires, which is actually a good safety feature. it did not have the paper backing over the board. 2. I was very surprised, I did not connect to the MiniPro with the App after installing the board, and it was working at full speed. I never had to go through the training tutorial again, do the initial 1km training period, or remove any speed limit, it just worked straight out of the box. Now I'm scared to connect to it with the App in case it resets all that, I may never connect the app to the device again, although I will miss the battery stats which are very useful to me on my 3 battery long trips, and just for monitoring battery health. I may get brave and connect the app after I use it for a while. 3. It's so nice! Compared to the original controller and following updates, it's a dream. I can honestly say the product would be 10 times more popular if its shipped from Segway like this. They are completely responsible for the failed market for these machines. There are no beeps when hitting small bumps, navigating simple trails, or going up or down small inclines/declines. There is just the speed beep at the top end, and the beep itself is way less annoying. 4. How Fast? OK I know this is all you really care about, and most not even that since it's all been done before. Since I did not connect the App to the device once I found that it was working, I only have GPS data to go by and feel; it was faster and it was smoother. It was faster than my regular MiniPro with the larger wheels, and it had the small ones. My GPS tracker said I got the beep at just over 23km/h, a couple of times the beep did not register until I was already going over 25km/h. That feels like when I'm riding my EUC in semi casual mode, a little faster than if I'm trying to be very observant of nature, but not cruising to my next destination. It should be really nice once I put on the larger tires, I'm planning on putting the Hybrid tires on this one. [Update: connected the app, it says speed is limited to 23 km/h and this aligns with the GPS data, so everything seems to be as advertised.] I noticed that M4M is currently sold out of the control boards, but they are now offering software updates using an App. Right now though you need to have Android and the WhatsApp (spyware ) messaging software. I don't know if they can use anything else. I am tempted to try if for my S-Plus, as it just collects dust, but with an upgrade I would use it.
  6. WARNING ** THIS BATTERY MAY LIMIT YOUR TOP SPEED ** OVERVIEW: More4Mini is selling a new 3rd-Party battery made for them by the OEM WorldPower Shenzhen World Electric Co. Ltd. “Extended Range Replacement Battery for Segway miniPRO - 355wh 6400mAh” Specifications are listed as: Model: WP-DMR-01 Configuration: 15S2P Voltage: 55.5VDC Capacity: 355Wh / 6400mAh Listed on the battery is LG INR18650, implying that it is based on 18650 cells by LG, The More4Mini website also states that LG cells are used, but could not provide the specific model number of the cells. So it is really just about name-dropping, and not about verifiable specifications. Somewhat useful given the problems with battery manufacturing, but lacking for a technical product. If we can assume the specifications are done similar to the original batteries, then the 355Wh / 6400mAh hour capacity would be when charged to 63V rather than the 55.5V Nominal voltage, or the 59.5V used by the standard North American Charger. More4Mini claims a 20% increase in mileage, but does not have any basis for this statement that they were willing to share. Based on the full Wh or mAh capacity, the increase would be somewhere between 12% and 14%, but the dynamics for estimating the increase are too varied given the potentially different discharge profile of the battery, and the operating environment variables such as rider weight, terrain, individual user’s speed/acceleration profile, enforced speed reductions by the MiniPro, etc. I would assume the stated 20% increase would be based on the 59.5V charge of the standard charger, but it is not explicitly stated. COST METRICS: Using the full 355Wh spec and the current cost of $200US, this works out to $0.56/Wh, which is an OK price, but not a super deal in terms of pure $/Wh. The Segway 310Wh battery, based on More4Mini pricing ($255) works out to $0.82/Wh which is on the expensive side. Keep in mind one is not getting the full capacity of these batteries if using the stock charger, so the real theoretical cost is higher. The actual cost would need to measure the actual Watt/Hours used during operating the device as all these numbers are nominal and can vary widely from actual use on the widely varying motor load of the MiniPro. Raw cost of 18650 capacity for a general consumer ranges from $0.20-$0.80/Wh ($0.40 for quality cells), and one would actually expect to get a discount when buying in bulk such as a battery pack as the extra electronics usually are very inexpensive. so a cost of $0.40/Wh is good value in a pack like this, but since it is custom with limited demand, the $0.56/Wh cost of this battery is reasonable. TESTING: I bought this battery just for fun, and to see how well it worked with the MiniPro. I feel the reported increase in capacity is not enough for someone to want to upgrade their battery, but if one is looking for a new battery or a second battery, then the increased capacity would be nice. It should be able to maintaining a higher top-speed for longer at the very least, and that is useful as I really hate how the MiniPro must reduce top speed as the battery is discharged. The battery weighed 1923g. This is roughly 110g less than a fully charged Segway 310Wh battery. The voltage of the battery when delivered was 57.9V. The battery is sealed, so I won’t be ripping it open today before testing. The standard charger connector is used with the threaded collar just as the original, and the connector cover is good. I like the charge connector cover better than the original, it stays put, and I think it will last as long. The battery did not include the small rubber insulators/seals/washers for the 4 screw holes, but it does have the recesses for them. This is unfortunate, but not a huge deal. There is a little LED on the back of the battery, or at least a window for one, but it does not blink or do anything when the battery is not connected to a charger. There was no light on the battery when connected to a charger either, at least not at its current charge state. I suspect the light is non functional. NO BMS COMMUNICATION. As expected the battery has no communication from the BMS in the pack (I presume there is one), with the MiniPro, so there is “no” battery information provided in the App. The App shows the speed is limited to 10km/h on my Segway, I’m using v4.0 of the Ninebot App, and I’ll have to check the firmware version. Alexey from More4Mini, said he was not speed limited, but did not use the App. I will need to do a road test to see if that is true, but I’m not very hopeful as I think the firmware has limited the speed with the battery. If true this is a real show-stopper, if it just means one cannot use the App when using the battery this is less of an issue, but inconvenient since you won't be able to watch your speed. tried charging the battery from its delivered state using the stock Ninebot charger specified as 59.5V (OC Voltage measures 59.61V). After 80 minutes the charger light turned to the undocumented yellow/amberish color, the battery measured 59.18V (charger connected), then at 90min it had turned to green and the battery measured 59.21V (charger connected). The ending voltage of the battery (charger disconnected, 15+ min rest) was 59.15V. So it would appear that charging the battery with the stock MiniPro charger worked as expected. I moved it onto a 63V charger, since I figured at this point it was best to have a full charge on the batteries. After 45min the charger had a green light, and I didn’t give it any extra balance or top up time, the battery measured 62.3V Unfortunately the road-test failed. Speed was severely limited I could not not ride it, it was just too annoying. Tilt-back would just bring me to a standstill as I tried to go up a small incline near my place. it worked ok for a 5km/h, or less, trip to the garbage bins, but anything more than that it was not tolerable for me. Since it was dark and starting to snow I didn’t spend any time trying different things. I never connected with the App after installing the battery, so clearly, as is pretty well understood, the firmware was limiting the speed. I used my oldest Segway but it uses, v1.4.0 firmware and I don’t plan to update it as I’ve heard nothing about the latest updates and I’m worried they will restrict the 63V chargers or may other annoying changes as they have done in the past. It is hard to downgrade the firmware and I don't want to mess with that. CONCLUSION: I’d recommend sticking with the official batteries if you are on firmware 1.4.0 or later as this battery is not really usable with a 10km/h limit (or possibly even slower before tiltback kicks in). Maybe someone else will test it with earlier firmware or More4Mini will provide more information on what is required to remove the speed restriction, but it seems to work the same as all the other 3rd-Party batteries so I’m not sure anything really can be done outside of changing the firmware. I guess this was a case of too-good-to-be-true.
  7. So I bought a ninebot mini pro used. Short story the battery is dead, completely. I've taken it out and tried charging it. Nothing. Yes I know this voids the warranty but I didn't have it to begin with so... Oh, the infamous 4 red flashes on the battery and my research online suggest it's completely dead.. Does anyone know where I can order a replacement? Has anyone used moreformini.com before? That's the only one I can find.. thanks in advance for your help
  8. Does any one have the new 2018 edition of the miniPro (MiniPro 260)? I'm very surprised to see the &*$#@s at Segway/Ninebot have reduced the battery capacity of the MiniPro to 236Wh. They clain you only loose 2 miles in range. Sounds like BS, unless they also increased the stock charger in the US to 63V to make up for the extra loss. This may be a dishonest way to make the new Mini-Plus look better in terms of specs. Wondering if anyone has the new 2018 model and can check the specs for the charger? Anyone that is looking to buy a MiniPro would be wise to get the MiniPro 320, and the aftermarket charger instead. This seems to be one of the most bungled products i've had experience with.
  9. Hi guys, I am repurposing some Minipro motors I came across and I need to know the specs such as max current, KV, etc. Where can I find this data? Thanks in advance.
  10. I just pulled out the miniPro after a long winter's nap and the new app tells me there is a new firmware version available. I currently run 1.4.0. I cannot tell what the new version will be without installing it and I don't want to install it if it's going to further limit my speed, make the warning beep louder or text all my friends when I go over 10MPH. Any thoughts or experience on this newer version? Thanks!
  11. We receive several great pictures on how M4M Scout Frame for Segway miniPRO is used by filmmakers, videographers, contractors, etc. Here are some nice pictures. We just released M4M Scout Frame 2.0 that includes special heavy duty fenders. Lets hope more pictures of how this frame helps to use Segway miniPRO for work will arrive soon.
  12. So I installed Stan’s Sealant to my stock Tubeless tires about 8 months ago after Constantly plugging flats (which leaked air) Now I haven’t had one flat since my install. Air pressure also stays stable for weeks, I only have to check once a month and top off running 45 psi. its a very easy install, all you have to do is this. 15 mins total time. 1. Buy some Stans No Tube sealant from your local bike shop (latex type liquid) 2. Remove your valve core 3. Use the supplied cone cap to inject about 20ml (1 ounce) doesn’t have to be exact per tire right into the valve. 4. Reinsert the valve core tight. Swoosh the sealant around the tire by spinning it a few times and inflate to 50 psi. 5. Ride it around or spin the tires a few times and you’re done. I have not had one flat or low tire pressure since. I came home the other day and one of my tires punctured right as I was pulling into my driveway from glass and sealed right up. enjoy!
  13. Hi everyone, Sorry I didn't come across an active photo thread here for us to post our pictures in so thought I would start one. If there is an active one I missed please let me know so I can delete this and bump the active one back up. Would love to see some mini photos from around the world and see how you use them and where, would also love to see how you have customised your minis etc! I will start, I mounted the hybrid tyres the other day and decided to take my dog out for a walk in some trails today while the sun was shining. Was a bit muddy but the new tyres were excellent and didn't slip once. Top speed is negligible, the tyre hum is noticeable on paved surfaces but I kinda like that, and my dog is named Kora, she's a good girl ?. Cheers, Alex
  14. We live in an area where there are lots of steep climbs. They are not really steep, but they have given me problems with unexpected push-back from day 1 with the MiniPRO. There is little data available on exactly how much power the MiniPRO motors can deliver, and how this translates into speed on either flat or sloping surfaces. The best source of information was shown to me by JoJo, it is a blog about the MiniPRO development cycle at Ninebot: http://bbs.ninebot.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=4100 Google translate produces this for a key section of the blog: "We have done a lot of power test experiments. The results show that when the weight of 100kg people climbs 15 degrees at 5-6kmh, the power demand of the whole vehicle will reach 400 watts or more. If the slope is slightly accelerated, the power will rise to 800 watts. The tester weighing 120kg may reach 500 watts when driving at 20kmh, and the output power of the car may reach 1000 watts to 1200 watts when it accelerates to 30kmh." So, I read that as saying a 120kg person riding on flat ground will need 500W of motor power to reach 20Km/h, and 1000W-1200W to reach 30Km/h. The continuous limit of the motors is "350w / short time 1050W, and the maximum torque of a single motor is .. more than 35Nm." So the firmware has to decide when to start pushback whenever the continuous output power being used is greater than 700W, or else the motors will overheat,and likely the battery pack too. Here is the 19 degrees street that the MiniPRO design team used as their reference for the "World's Steepest Street" But they eventually decided on planning for a 15 degree slope, less steep than this one. They planned "100kg people climbs 15 degrees at 5-6kmh, the power demand of the whole vehicle will reach 400 watts or more. If the slope is slightly accelerated, the power will rise to 800 watts." This represents the totality of the engineering specifications I have been able to find about the MiniPRO When I measure myself, a new N3M320 MiniPRO which has not yet done 50Km starts to push-back at around 9Km/h on the steepest steady hill I have around here, which is 6.5 degrees. I weigh 94Kg (in riding boots). I see no difference between firmwares 1.1.7 and 1.1.9 except that 1.1.9 has the gentlest pushback cycle (it beeps a warning before making you jump off ). With 1.4.1 it is tough to even reach 9Km/h because it is continually adjusting the push-back point. An N3M260 which has long-ago reached its 50Km transition can reach 11-12 Km/h (with v1.1.9 FW) before beeping and starting kickback. The max speed is the same whether I am using the smaller 243Wh or the full 310Wh battery. So there clearly is a safety margin which the firmware holds in reserve to try and preserve vehicle integrity. Yet how the firmware implements this push-back reserve is (IMO) flawed, as it also seems to limit the ability of the MiniPRO to handle potholes and pebbles until the 50Km mark is reached. I will be watching very carefully as my new N3M320 reaches that target, and then do a complete reassessment of the vehicle's hill-climbing ability... Finally, I note that the older N3M260 had the 90/65-6.5 knobbly off-road tyres fitted, running at 15psi, while the new N3M320 has slightly smaller 'off-road' tyres, which should have given it an edge in torque, but didn't. Only when I get to 50Km will I be able to decide how the firmware handles safety reserves when larger tyres are fitted - there is a possibility that the slope climbing speed limit is set by a firmware algorithm, and not by the motor power exceeding 700W. Please share any data and experiences you have had negotiating slopes with the MiniPRO.
  15. Hello guys, I've spent quite a bit of time perusing the forum (and others), but I haven't found much information about the new miniPRO 260 model, which I own two of. I bought my first miniPRO 260 from Amazon during the last sale. I was hesitant because of the smaller battery, but I figured that 1.5mi deficit was not a huge dealbreaker. When the unit arrived, however, I was surprised to see the app estimating an 11mi range with 100% battery. I know that range is dependent on riding style, temperature, weight, etc, but I at least expected the app to estimate the full 12.5mi range when fully charged. Furthermore, I have only ever achieved about 7 miles of actual range on the miniPRO, with normal riding over flat terrain, and tires at 45psi (I weight 175lbs). Based on my research, I figured that this was way too low, so I exchanged the unit. The new miniPRO 260 now advertises 14mi on a full charge, but that instantly drops to 11mi the second any weight is placed on the foot sensors! Does this happen to anybody else? The drop is universal at 3mi, meaning it will, for instance, go from 9 to 6 mi when at that level. I guess I'm curious what other miniPRO 260 owners report their app saying, and if the range is actually that much different than mine. I just got the replacement unit this evening, and I haven't had a chance to ride it to empty yet, but so far it seems about in-line with my previous miniPRO.
  16. I'm looking to replace the motherboard/control board of a mini after it got wet and stopped turning on. Online, I see a blue board that matches what I have, and a purple board, which I believe is the one for the minipro. Someone commented they had to mod the purple board a bit to fit their mini, but it worked, and the seller described the purple board as unlocking the hoverboard to use with third party apps. Should I get a blue board or the purple board? Are there any benefits such as faster speed for the purple one?
  17. My buddy has a Segway MiniPRO and after riding his for a few days, I've decided to buy one for myself. I really like it except it's a little slow and the speed warning beeps got old fast. So my questions are... should I buy the miniPRO or go with a clone? Are there any out there that are faster than the miniPRO? What would you buy? Thanks for the help, I'm new to the forum btw!
  18. Hi everyone, Im starting a new job in a few weeks that will mean i need to commute around 3km each way from the bus to my workplace. It is rather flat ground, but im always running late and hate physically running. Soooo, im looking to get some kind of transportation to get me there and back each day. My two options im looking at are.. https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=1679177134 or https://www.trademe.co.nz/toys-models/vehicle-toys/other/listing-1676116365.htm?rsqid=ddb91c8f84ad4eb399abe9ee6e5ad8c4 I am a little confused though, as they seem pretty much identical. One looks like it is the Chinese OEM version (the cheaper one) and the other looks like the same thing but with a different handle, higher weight limit and slightly longer range. Is this pretty much the crux of it? As i mentioned, its only about 3km each way and over pretty flat ground. Is important i can ride in rain or shine though.. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Cheers, Alex from New Zealand.
  19. Took the MiniPro out for a spin for Earth Day. The weather was actually pretty nice, which was an improvement over the last couple of weeks. Battery was apparently at 94% so I didn't go far, just 8.5km, but I found that I could ride next to a rail line as it seems one side they have made it pretty flat and clear for access by rail vehicles. I'm looking forward to putting some batteries on my pack and seeing how far I can go. I was a bit sore from doing yard work yesterday and earlier today, and felt quite stiff as well. Took the e-bike out for a spin after that for about 10km, very different riding one vs the other. Now my back is quite sore and stiff when I get up, but it was worth it.
  20. For all those who bought a factory recertified Minipro the box says 220 lbs, but when you take it out of box and look at sticker on the battery pack it says 185 lbs max. That is a bait and switch if I ever seen one.
  21. Hi, does any one have any Spring Tune-Ups/Enhancements they plan for their MiniPro this Spring? I finally mounted a kickstand on my main miniPro, this was suppose to be a Fall project so that it would sit nicely over the winter.... but you know how projects go and it became my Spring project. Took longer to find the LocTite than it did to mount it. So simple I should have done it earlier no doubt., I just installed one of the early basic ones that flip out horizontally, designed by Xiaomi maybe as this video seems to suggest. I paid $17 in Dec for it, but you can get them on ebay for $9-$14. Seems to work fine, some of the newer models look more compact. Hoping to break my personal distance record (~60km) for a single outing off of 3 batteries this Spring, but still messing with the miniPros in-between the EUC, the e-bike, and the 9B-Elite. I have to say after riding the Elite, the mini is like a dream. The Elite feels more like the tin-can than the MiniPro. Although the foot pads on the Elite do feel like heaven compared to the miniPro. Speed, Battery, and Foot-pads; those are the top upgrades needed on the MiniPro.
  22. Holy Batman! SEGWAY miniPRO Smart Self Balancing Transporter 2018 Edition, 12.5 Mile Range, 10 MPH $336.71
  23. Amazon has been dropping the price on the 2018 version of the MiniPro steadily by a few dollars for a while sometimes, like today, making several drops in a single day. The current price at the time of this message was $394.68 SEGWAY miniPRO Smart Self Balancing Transporter 2018 Edition, 12.5 Mile Range, 10 MPH Sold and Shipped by Amazon.com Not a bad deal, and at the current rate of price changes it still may go lower. Unfortunately it has the slightly lower capacity battery, and the company should be boycotted for such a move. The real name of this version is the 2018 Downgraded Edition, and how many companies do that and have the product survive? If it hits $300 it's a good buy for back-up parts, although it's not likely to fall that far.
  24. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019Z6HS86 $439.99 No mention of exact model or battery capacity in the listing, but it is no the "2018 Edition" listing, and uses the same ASIN as the previous model 320, so it might be the one with the larger battery, or it may be false advertising. with Amazon though, shipping it back would be easy so worth the gamble if you need one. Update: it does say 14mi range, which is the range of the older one with the larger battery. (aka the good one)
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