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  1. Pushing limits is the only way to learn, but do it carefully and know where the limits are of both you and your wheel, which will allow you to push those limits more safely. The posture I choose is how EUCs were designed to operate. I think it's the easiest place to begin and for some to continue. However, once the basics are mastered, different styles can develop, which will also work. Anything goes, really, as long as you can stay safe and within the basic parameters of your wheel. Everyone is entitled to an opinion--those who began before and after 2015. Although keep in mind that those who are more experienced may have something useful to offer to those less experienced. If you're making comments about my riding style from my videos, naturally I am curious to see yours. It's a bit more interesting to know something, particularly when that person is making claims of being on another level and someone who takes high risks, which is fantastic, but begs the question--where are videos of this amazing riding? Don't fall without being prepared. I strongly recommend protective gear, especially a full face helmet. It's only a matter of time before you take a fall. Be ready: 3euc.com/gear Take risks knowing the consequences--it might make you think twice. If none of these things were conveyed earlier, then there has been a failure to communicate! Not only did I not say anything remotely resembling a single one of your fake quotes, I didn't even imply any of these things. Splitting the other topic and having it continue wasn't my idea, although the Mods obliged, so I am not sure how I'm the one gatekeeping. I've just tried to share some of my ideas, and respond to posts directed at me, which I thought was the purpose of a forum--a place of discussion. Above are some of my actual thoughts.
  2. Same for me--I watch on YouTube a wide assortment of riders, because I enjoy seeing what everyone has done with their potential, from beginner to advanced. I'm surprised though by the disconnect between the forum and having any videos on YouTube. I see forum contributors with hundreds, even thousands of posts, but not a single video anywhere. I was expecting people here to have videos as a given. Instead, having any videos appears to be the exception. I'm impressed by the variety of riding styles I discover. For instance, I learned recently there is apparently a whole segment of riders who value studying their performance statistics on an app and comparing results. Not something I plan to do, but interesting to know about. And I agree--anything goes, as long as you can stay safe and know the limits of your wheel. Not just the limits of the wheel though, but a rider needs to know their own limits as well. A man's got to know his limitations.
  3. I have not tried to contact the Executive Director, but thanks for the name! If it's someone you know, maybe you could make contact and bring up the subject, see what their position is at this point. While CicLAvia has never responded to email, I did once speak with someone there, who told me they were discussing whether to allow LEVs, but hadn't made any decisions yet. That was maybe two or three years ago by now. I've been hoping there might be a change made soon to relax the restriction, given the number of LEVs that have descended upon the Los Angeles area. I thought it might be better to let them decide on their own, as opposed to pushing them into confirming a quick, "no."
  4. I don't use custom pads to improve acceleration. I do just fine with a stock wheel. Looking at your interesting creation, I can't say I'm motivated to add pads anytime soon. So, you're yet another phantom riding master without one single video to show? Have you not ever videoed anything once that you've shared? I don't believe I've ever said that center of gravity has to be perfectly over the middle at every moment. Of course it's possible to have some reasonable variation, but still have a stable, enjoyable ride and remain within the parameters. Here is a video of mine from about a year ago on a King Song 18L. Would you say I'm putt putting my way to top speed? I think I'm doing better than that. I'm rock steady, comfortable, zero wobble, with straight posture. And Melrose Avenue is not the smoothest street.
  5. It's amazing how many talkers keep popping up, but without a single video of their own to show! Where are your cameras? Regardless of how you or anyone else would describe my braking in that particular video, they were executed with ease and under full control, along with the subsequent acceleration. Not a wobble to be seen. No hunching over, either. I am not out to prove to anyone how fast I can stop, I was just trying to fulfill someone's request here. If you are capable of these incredible hard stops, then show some video of it, otherwise it's just empty claims from a ghost.
  6. Here's a video of mine from about a year ago on a King Song 18L, with some hard braking, as you were asking about--I go from top speed to nearly a complete stop in a fairly short span at some of the stop signs, then accelerate right back to top speed. I haven't done videos to highlight only hard braking, but you'll find instances within the clip.
  7. Are you interested in how-to videos or just wondering which of these things I do? My YouTube channel link is in my signature, as are other links of mine. Existing videos have examples of some of these things. Let me know if you've got any videos of your own online. Nothing further on your location, beyond Western Europe?
  8. "He" thinks nuclear proliferation is serious. This is just a forum chat among friends about EUCs. Western Europe? Big place! You can't get any more specific than that? Should I have said North America, instead of Los Angeles, CA?
  9. You may not even own an EUC! You could be the one trolling us! Are there no videos of you because you're not shooting any or have you just chosen not to share any? Admittedly, it's a pain, so I understand if you haven't bothered. I'm thankful for all the riders who take the time to shoot and edit for us, so I've tried to give something back with my own videos.
  10. True, I first learned to ride an EUC in 2015, making me an EUC old timer, but learning textbook style applies to any newbie going forward. It is not outdated in the slightest. It's the EUCs that have evolved greatly, but their physics has remained exactly the same, making a newbie in 2015 the same as a newbie today. No one starts out by going 30 MPH. It begins with barely going 3 MPH. Same then, same now. Do you have a way for a newbie today to learn that would be any different than in 2015? If so, I'd be curious to hear about it. Anyone who can't master the basics shouldn't be riding at the higher speeds, or getting wild and edgy. Walk first, then run. That's my point--it's best started with textbook, then go crazy. Being harder to emulate does not necessarily mean more advanced or superior, just maybe different than the norm. Case in point, Elaine's dance. I wouldn't call it advanced or superior. It occurs to me that I'm discussing this with a ghost, because I haven't seen a single second of you in motion, while I have 100 videos of me on YouTube. I have no idea what your skill level is or how you ride, or what the basis is for your apparent expertise. Why not throw up some videos for others to share? Perhaps in a video, you can demonstrate this new 2019 non-textbook learning technique that is somehow different than it was in 2015.
  11. Thanks, Mod. Although, I think by doing so you killed the other topic and makes this whole thread harder to follow. It was already getting confusing enough!
  12. Original art? Bonus points! You are too upright! And that's coming from me, Mr. Upright. You won't lean forward at all with your whole body to shift your center of gravity forward. Instead, you have this technique I've never seen before of flexing your ankles to push on your toes to move at slower speeds, or bending over forward to push even harder on your toes to reach faster speeds. That's what I'm seeing in your videos, anyway. It's why you discovered the play in the pedals, which most people never do, because most people don't flex their ankles to press on their toes. Try leaning forward with your whole body, while maintaining straight posture, similar to how you begin to walk forward.
  13. I think there is some confusion here--the term, "bad form," doesn't mean someone is a bad rider. It just means not riding what we've termed here as "textbook." I later said I also considered it bad form to not know a wheel's limitations. I wasn't switching definitions, but using the same words, with a different meaning. The first application is literally about positioning, the second refers to a lack of knowledge. I love Chooch! Now, there is someone who rides wild and edgy, loads of fun to watch, with plenty of video proof. However, being great at something doesn't necessarily make someone a great teacher. Chooch may have come out of the womb with a little wheel attached to his feet, so I imagine it would be difficult for him to patiently explain the fundamentals to a newbie. There's no question Chooch is an amazing rider, but you're right, looking strictly at his form, it's not textbook. Nothing wrong with that, it just isn't. But it works for him and that's what counts most. Let's be realistic--a newbie cannot be taught how to ride like Chooch. A newbie could learn the basics first and someday, with lots and lots of practice, maybe develop a style similar to him, but Chooch's style is his own. As is Tishawn's, which works for him. But again, no one can be taught these styles out of the box. I am not at all saying there is one way to ride an EUC. Clearly there are many examples of various styles and talents. What I am saying is that at its most fundamental level, there is a textbook style where it should begin. Some will carry only something like that style forward, others will mold it into their own unique style and go a totally different direction with it. As long as you enjoy it and stay reasonably safe, there are no limits!
  14. I ride upright when I'm cruising at top speed, because I'm totally comfortable. People who are concerned about falling are more likely to crouch over. I'm confident in my abilities, so I don't feel the need to lower my center of gravity or crouch at such time. If the terrain is rough, that might change, but by bending my knees, not bending with my back. There is no such thing as turning too sharp, braking too hard, or aggressive slalom, if it's within the parameters of your wheel and you can continue to stay on it. When you're on the ground, then it was a little too much.
  15. Not quite, Sherlock. You aren't reading my posts very carefully, if that is your summary of why I'm here and what I've been saying. And what I am about is incredibly transparent--it's in my signature on every one of my posts! I've got to say, it's funny that a total newbie is trying to school me on anything related to EUCs. You might try being more hospitable to your guests--you're the host here, this is your topic, which would have dried up pages ago had I not jumped in. If you had wanted it to die, you could have just asked me to ignore the responses and I would have moved on a lot sooner. But yes, getting back to your claim of an anomaly, which I observed as you simply flicking your ankles, and you not understanding there would obviously be a reaction to it. That is why I joined this topic in the first place. My position on that stands: action, meet reaction. It's not something I've ever experienced, because I don't pump my ankles while riding. Won't happen on a GotWay, because they're super stiff. Will happen on a King Song, which has more give. If you think your wheel is defective, send it in for repair immediately. My guess is they will find nothing wrong with it.
  16. I started a new topic and copied my original post there about CicLAvia currently officially excluding EUCs and any LEV. When I saw it could interfere here with the post-ride chat, I set it aside for later and realized it probably should be its own topic.
  17. Beautiful, inspirational words for real newbies to aspire, with appropriate caution. However, I am one of the most seasoned riders on the forum, despite being relatively new to the forum itself. I have done and do all of these things already, but not necessarily on camera. I would argue that my skills shown in my videos make me at least an above average rider, but you're right--I am not showing wild and edgy riding in them. Yet I am rock solid, comfortable, hitting maximum speeds, with zero wobble. I never proclaimed I was the best rider in the world. I never indicated there would be anything but proper riding techniques shown, as you have correctly observed as, "textbook." Since I teach EUC newbies, I am more interested in showing the textbook aspect of riding--you know, setting a good example. Everyone has to start somewhere--you can't start out being wild and edgy. It should begin with a proper understanding of the dynamics. Once the basics are mastered, where it grows from there is up to each individual rider. Every new rider should master textbook first, before going off to be wild and edgy. If everyone began trying to ride like Kuji, we'd have nothing but EUC riders in the ER. My one pose, as you call it, which has served me well, is a display of correct form and yes, it can be applied to just about every surface and every move--watch my videos, and you'll see it deftly demonstrated, although I have left out traffic slalom. You are assuming that the videos I have chosen to share publicly are all I've got. Nope. What I have shared is anything I have cleared to be public. And most of the time, I ride without bringing a camera. EUCs are in a legal gray area and I don't want to give anyone undue reason to add any restrictions. I'd rather it stayed gray instead of going red. I doubt it'll ever been green, that is, embraced as being completely legal. So, The first rule of Fight Club is: You do not talk about Fight Club. People who are sharing their wild and edgy (and clearly illegal) riding online are only damaging the sport's future. I am trying not to be one of those people. It's not easy, but I'm trying. It appears you've never shot a video while riding, at least none you've shared. So perhaps you don't know that trying to video oneself while riding is a bit awkward and limiting, carrying around a camera on a stick, holding an arm extended with it steady, and paying attention to where it's positioned--it's very distracting, which is why haven't even bothered to shoot any video for the past six months or so. My videoing began as snippets to privately capture moments to remind myself where I was, then later I went to a longer format and 360° and shared them all online, because I thought it might lead to others gaining an interest. Can't say I'll continue doing any more videos, because it all detracts from riding. You misunderstood something I said earlier. When I said, "Bad form leads to falls and failures," I meant failures of your EUC by going beyond its parameters, not the failure of the rider. I also consider it bad form to not know your wheel's limits. Speaking of great athletes and also world class musicians--what do they have in common? They've got a coach. The coach doesn't have to be the best at the skill they're teaching, but it helps to have firsthand knowledge. It's why many athletic coaches are former athletes and why most music coaches are musicians themselves. This is where I come in--I can teach a newbie how to ride, beginning with the fundamentals of how to operate a self-balancing device, a skill that escapes even experienced EUC riders.
  18. I spoke my piece a long time ago. I wasn't really planning on anything beyond one post. But I keep getting brought back in here to reply to others. If someone engages me, I will try to reply. Otherwise, a forum wouldn't work. Regardless, I'm hopeful that something I said benefited someone somewhere.
  19. Thanks, yes, my riding is textbook. It was back in 2015, it still is in 2019. If you caught one of my older videos, of course I would be on an older EUC (which topped out at closer to 15 MPH, not "south of 10")--and yes, they were comparatively slow back then. However, my recent three EUCs are a GotWay MSX 100V, Ninebot Z10, and King Song 18XL. While I haven't taken the time to make videos of every single EUC I've ever owned, they all get ridden in the same way--textbook, because that's the right way. I achieve maximum speed, with maximum control, yet maximum safety. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but you seem to be defending bad form. If you want to pretend that by being wild and edgy with bad form you'll somehow be a better rider, that's certainly your prerogative. Bad form leads to falls and failures. I prefer to stay in one piece. I don't normally comment on anyone's riding style, unless it's invited. chrisjunlee created this topic and included a video and picture of his issue, looking for responses. Anyone who can't handle the truth, shouldn't be posting videos and inviting feedback. I was under the mistaken impression he wanted some constructive commentary. Apparently, he just wanted people to sympathize with his issues. By the way, I don't see any videos of you, so I can't comment on your riding style. If you want me to critique your riding style, post a video and let me know. I'll be happy to take a look and give you some honest commentary. My goal here isn't to insult anyone's delicate ego, but to make them a better rider. It begins with acknowledging that maybe you don't know everything about EUC riding, particularly since it's primarily a self-taught skill, often by people who have little or no prior experience with self-balancing devices.
  20. CicLAvia is a day of some street closures in the Los Angeles area, happening several times a year. However, they so far have rules against anything with a motor. No LEVs allowed! Isn't this a bit restrictive? Does there need to be another event organized for just LEVs? It would seem far easier if CicLAvia would simply lift the ban on things with motors. If the Los Angeles area truly wants to reduce car traffic, they must be welcoming to more than just non-motorized options. CicLAvia is a great concept and I wish it would be far more expansive and happen more often. Organizers have been making good progress since it began in Los Angeles in 2010, but it's really time they acknowledge the existence of LEVs (light electric vehicles). It's a huge oversight by CicLAvia to keep ignoring LEVs, particularly with the explosion of rental scooters in the Los Angeles area, along with electric rental bicycles now available from cities and independent vendors. Add in EUCs, electric boards, Segway devices, and other types of LEVs and there are a lot of potential participants who are being shut out. I've been asking CicLAvia by email for years when they will officially allow LEVs, but they have not ever responded to my inquiries. Fact is, there have been LEVs participating in CicLAvia already for years, regardless of it being against their rules, "No motorized vehicles on the route including electric skateboards, scooters, and bicycles. Wheelchairs and pedal assists are okay." I assume "pedal assists" is referring to pedal assisted bicycles. Going into their FAQs, "Any form of people-powered transport is allowed at CicLAvia. Skateboards, trikkes, rollerblades, skates - basically anything without a motor." I find these rules to be a bit arbitrary, because the presumption is that any of the non-motorized options are somehow safer or pose less risk than an LEV, which is quite a leap. I have seen plenty of people fall or crash into others while riding a bicycle, skateboard, or skates. What CicLAvia is saying is that someone can dust off their skates from 1987 and wobble around the streets and that's okay. Who is likely to fall or crash first: Mr. or Ms. Wobbles on skates or someone on an LEV with skills? I could be wrong, but I don't believe an LEV is a, "motorized vehicle," as specified by the California Vehicle Code, despite an LEV having a motor. In CicLAvia's FAQs, they're more specific and disallow motors entirely, although that contradicts their exception for wheelchairs and pedal assists. However, as the CicLAvia rules are currently worded, I think anyone on an LEV could be asked to leave by any event official who interprets things otherwise. As a result, I am not inclined to patronize CicLAvia with an EUC--I tried it once and was not asked to leave, but was ready for it to happen at any moment, which was not a comfortable feeling and would not have been a good use of my time to travel to the event had I been asked to leave. Aside from rule issues, the events are generally confined to a relatively small area by EUC standards, which doesn't take long to cover the whole route, even at a leisurely pace. Sections of the routes also tend to be crowded with people standing around talking and/or eating, pedestrians, strollers, many people walking bicycles, and slow bikers, plus an abundance of supervision and law enforcement, with ushers stationed at the major intersections with movable barriers for crossing crowd control. For people unfamiliar with riding the streets, this is a good thing. For a seasoned street rider, a bit unnecessary. Until CicLAvia expands to cover much larger territories and officially allows LEVs, I'd rather just go out and ride my EUC anywhere I like without the crowds or constant babysitting. And if my EUC is my baby, nobody puts baby in a corner.
  21. @chrisjunlee I am here to lend my knowledge of the sport as an experienced EUC enthusiast with an extensive background in self-balancing devices--an EUC is just another form of it. All I can do is share. It's up to you if you'll put it to use. I strive to make EUC riders better and safer, so the sport perpetuates. Otherwise, EUCs will fizzle out. Riders who want to do nothing but push the limits until they crash will I guess naturally thin the herd. I just hope you stay safe out there, with whatever riding style you choose, until you've gained the appropriate respect. We're two different kinds of riders. I ride for the love of the wheel. I did my envelope pushing years ago. You're still in the stage of going for the thrill of pushing its limits, which is understandable, since you're a relative newbie. In the old days, that wasn't such a risk, because EUCs went 12-15 MPH. Different today, with them at 30-40 MPH. Now, pushing the limits is incredibly risky. I advise against pushing any limits at these higher speeds, because the rider always loses if there's a failure. Proof that my Kung Fu is stronger is that I have been riding more than 15 times longer than you, but have had no major falls or injuries, no wrecked wheels. And I've never had a wheel cut out on me while riding, having ridden most models from all major makers. I have 100 videos of me riding, spanning four years. Show me once where I crouch forward to achieve top speed. Show me where my posture isn't straight, even while off road. You won't find it, because it's not the right way to ride. If you prefer to press your toes, crouch, lunge, hunch, throw your knees forward, and lurch around, then go for it, but you may continue to experience issues as a result. It's not the EUC's fault though, it's you. In your short three months of riding, you have apparently experienced a host of issues, faulting your wheel. If you really think there is something wrong with yours, then send it in immediately for service, don't continue riding it. More specifically though, you faulted an EUC maker, which is why I piped in on this topic in the first place. Disparaging a maker because you are riding outside of an EUC's design parameters misrepresents the brand. Trying to shoot the messenger with clever responses isn't keeping your eye on the ball--your riding style needs work. Watch me riding in my videos, then watch you riding in yours. You haven't found your center of gravity yet--your upper body, toes, feet, and knees are all over the place in an effort to propel your EUC forward. While I look effortless, with straight posture, even when accelerating to and cruising at top speed, because I know how to use my center of gravity properly. My knees are bent accordingly to absorb shock, but not in an attempt to accelerate. If you are following numbers on a third party app, trying to prove you can draw more power, it's another indicator that we're not on the same riding field at the moment. Not only do I have zero interest in this pursuit, but you are playing a dangerous game. Achieving a higher power draw is not necessarily a good thing, because if you go past your EUC's limits, you'll be going down. If you want to impress me, achieve top speed by having the lowest power draws, not the highest. You are doing the opposite of safe. In any case, I am glad to have ignited a discussion on the topic. If someone has learned something and as a result stays in one piece, then it's been worth it.
  22. Like skiing, there is very little that has to be done to propel an EUC--if you're doing it right. As a skier, I understand the similarities. If you're not a skier, it won't mean as much to you. The technique of lunging forward on an EUC to gain a fraction of a second in accelerating pushes the balance limits of any EUC and in the long run doesn't add up to much. To me, not worth the risk at all.
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