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  1. @meepmeepmayer you're missing the point. WE aren't the ones who need to come up with a solution, the manufacturers are. For Christ's sake, if I'd been an early adopter and had broken my nose because the manufacturer hadn't taken overcurrent into account and implemented safety measures, (but had charged me for the wheel all the same), believe me, skulls would have been cracked. Riders who (currently) don't end up faceplanting because of overlean do so because they learn that information here in the forum, not because it's in the user manual. If we were talking about any other product, the angles for potential lawsuit would we uncountable. I understand that we all fall instantly in love with wheeling after the first few seconds of riding in a straight line, but to be honest, the manufacturers are taking our money while they use us as guinea pigs, and we're still dumb enough to take their side. Buy a toaster that electrocutes you when you try to remove the toast; an electric heater that catches on fire if you don't get the thermostat setting just right, even it there's no mention in the user's manual; a car whose braking power might decide to go on vacation because you chose to brake on a hill or over a bump? I'm as passionate about EUCs as the next guy or I wouldn't have pre-ordered a KS18XL, but I can't think of a single type of product where safety standards are as low as with EUCs. Just imagine if the VW scandal hadn't been about emissions but about runaway cars... IM, GW, KS, etc. are earning big bucks at our expense, yet WE are the ones left to deal with the risks that their products pose. There's a difference between being passionate and being gullible (the free market don't care about us....). And moreover...where's people's humanity gone? Give me all the technical justifications you like (which is a discussion we SHOULDN'T have to have); give me stats, give me geometry, but can you assure me, 100%, that there will never ever be a scenario where you fall and your wheel hits an innocent bystander or runs straight into an intersection and causes an accident? And that's the point I'm tying to make; I don't care what the manufacturers took or didn't take into account; I don't care about my skill level or the odds of my wheel's fall geometry neutralising a potential threat; even if there's a one in a million chance of injuring someone else, I'd rather break an arm than harm my neighbour's daughter... Honestly, I'm shocked that anyone in this forum is self-serving enough to counter that argument. Otherwise, we're no better than the car drivers we complain about so much; we're just doing what they do: looking out for our own self interest and disregarding anything that interferes with our own care-free enjoyment... Where's the difference between a car wanting to speed up on a right-hand turn, unintentionally failing to take pedestrians into account, and an EUC-rider not seeing a pothole and having his wheel hit a 3-yearold in the face? I'm just saying...inattention can happen in both cases, but prioritising one's own safety while disregarding that of others isn't an attitude one feels comfortable seeing so prevalently in EUC forums... Safe riding to all of you, but to those who put the safety of others before your own, I take my hat off. To the others...well, ....I'm glad I'm not a pedestrian who has the misfortune to cross your path. As an EUC-rider who would rather suffer an injury himself than inflict one on someone else, if a stray wheel ever hits me, believe me...I think I'd better bite my tongue.... Just feel a bit disappointed... I thought we were better than that...
  2. I'll admit my views are based on the Spanish situation, where e you might get randomly pulled over on a Tuesday at 3 PM and fined for now having an extra headlight replacement, but can get get away with reckless driving because the cops can't be bothered with the paperwork it involves to file a major offence... Plus, we have no decent bike lanes. Or non-kamikaze car or bicycle drivers. Which is why it pisses me off so much that all of a sudden we have such strict laws for EUCs (because NO ONE obeys the law, and no one gets punished for it, but since we're the novelty, we're getting pulled over left and right). In the end, the only option we have is to be respectful, hope for the best, and even if we're not doing anything near as dangerous as other drivers/riders, run for it if the cops try to stop us (why obey their authority when they're not pulling over buses with 40 people on board doing twice the speed limit? F**k it...I'll follow my own moral code...)
  3. As an additional detail to this thread, there's a video making the rounds of the victim in question riding out of the hospital on his EUC (I won't share it out of respect for privacy; it's not my call to make). But say what you will, titanium implants involve surgery, which involves deep incisions; it doesn't take a fall, just too sharp a reflex movement to make the stitches open up. That's just a plain stupid, male-ego, show-off move. We don't need martyrs or survivors to further our cause, we need people with a brain i their head. Should anyone need translating (because apparently lack of understanding of how a wheel works and lack of understanding that Google Translate is a simple option to translate from Spanish to English go hand in hand), don't hesitate to let me know. Translating is what I do for a living. Yet an image is worth a thousand words...so no input required on my side...
  4. OK, here goes a post on a relevant topic for new riders (but perhaps, equally relevant for experienced ones), that's meant basically to be a "glossary" of threads concerning the uses, benefits, disadvantages, alternatives, etc., of using a leash/strap/whatever you want to call it. Personally, I discovered the concept of using a leash in this forum; it helped me prevent damage to my wheel while learning, but also caused an injury and nearly caused a few others, so I've seen both sides of the coin. For the sake of anyone interested in the subject, here goes a glossary of threads that explore the subject, including a wide array of opinions from every possible perspective. I've linked main threads where the subject is discussed, and offer a short description of the subjects covered in each one of them. How long did you keep on using the belt? 3 pages. Length of time worth using one. Value in terms of preventing the risk of runaway wheels to others (wheel getting away and causing damage to people/property/causing accidents), preventing one's wheel from falling into water, risk of accidentally hitting the kill switch with the leash on wheels with anti-spin buttons/sensors, leash & kill switch tests on Inmotion wheels, upsides and downsides of using a leash, how to use the strap, where to tie it (hold it or tie it to self/belt), etc. Who Uses a Safety Strap? 1 page. First page includes a survey (only 25 people have taken it. More people should, it would be more representative of the community at large). Followed by a discussion of how long riders used a strap, the difference between a learning strap and safety strap, the risks of being dragged by the leash, where and how to attach the strap, wheels escaping and causing damage/injury to others (or property), preventing one's wheel from falling into water, etc. Tethering your wheel to your leg 2 pages. Dangers, advantages & alternatives (rider safety and that of pedestrians/bystanders) to leashes. Discussion on manufacturer-implemented safety options and DIY alternatives. Practicing with the V10F - what not to do 1 page. Advantage in terms of avoiding scratches/damage to wheel, risk of hitting kill switch and accidentally causing buttplants, possibility of disabling the kill switch from the app, at what speed the kill switch deactivates when moving, use of a retractable dog leash, etc. Kingsong 16" leash/strap? 3 comments. Purpose of using a leash, safety of others, handle sturdiness in terms of leash, etc. Hope this comes in handy. Feel free to add any additional threads or comments. The more info, the better for all!
  5. Spot on, couldn't agree more! It's like watching Judo fights in the Olympics. I've had friends remark that it's all for showmanship because "when twist-spin motion is applied, no one reacts like that, the victim is intentionally jumping and contorting, for show, like in a WWE". Except that's not the case: Failure to do so would result in serious luxation; since they understand the biodynamics and are trained to react accordingly, they "go with the flow" to prevent injury. Same principle applies to any sport involving falls: On my mountain bike, I've learned to swivel one leg over the frame of the bike so I can jump off and land safely on my feet without ending up amidst a messy tangle of limbs, aluminium and sharp-edged cogs; rollerblading, I know (or used to know) how to roll or slide to dissipate impact; snowboarding, one learns how to use the board's momentum to stop or roll as opposed to having that same inertia absorbed by the body; surfing, one learns to curl up in a ball and hold his breath after a wipeout instead of becoming a rag doll exposed to all kind of dangerous contortions. I'm not saying knowing how to fall is the one and only way to prevent injury, but it's definitely not detrimental, and can help turn a 3-point fracture into a mild contusion...
  6. I mean wrist bending backwards (as in "try to touch your elbow with your fingertips) Rare in faceplant or general forward/lateral fall scenarios, but not that unlikely in buttplants. Bend your wrist backward enough and you can cause serious tendon or ligament injuries (been there, done that...). Most wrist-guards do a fairly good job at preventing that, even the budget ones (skateboard gloves that don't extend further up the arm, on the other hand, don't do squat in that sense).
  7. I agree, some form of built-in proximity sensor would be the way to go. To those who say that would be an extra electronic component that could simply fail and lead to a faceplant, I'd respond that your arguments lack imagination. There are a million ways such safety measures could be implemented so they don't pose a risk to the rider, and those measures aren't limited to switching off the wheel and/or gyroscope; they could range from gradual slowdowns, to pre-activation warning (tiltback, high-pitched warnings), combinations of proximity & weight sensors + time triggers & algorithms that detect riderless, runaway wheels, etc.? None of us here would be capable of building our own wheel from scratch, yet we enjoy and marvel at the technology others have invented for us to use; likewise, if we put enough pressure on manufacturers (Kingsong's larger pedals come to mind), perhaps we'd be equally surprised by the inventive and effective solutions manufacturers could come up with. If in doubt, ask any early adopter about the overlean faceplants they had on earlier wheels or overcurrent issues that have since been corrected, improving security. I find it ironic (don't mean to be petulant) that society is having trouble accepting EUCs because they represent novelty and change, while at the same time, within the forward-thinking EUC community, there are people who also oppose (potentially constructive) changes ("my wheel is fine the way it is, don't implement new safety measures that might endanger me"). At which, again, I'd like to circle back to the first wheels, that didn't have half the user-oriented safety measures that wheels have today... On the other hand, and I apologise for being so vocal about this, why isn't there more focus on the safety of innocent bystanders? Yes, leashes and other DIY power-off devices might pose an extra risk to riders (I've discovered that the hard way), but where's our sense of civility? Just as I see despotic and self-centred attitudes (sorry for the harsh language) among car, motorcycle and bicycle users (and pedestrians), I'm somewhat concerned about the prevalence of such attitudes among EUC-riders too. What about all the pedestrians who haven't chosen to accept the risk of hopping on a 15-25 kg self-balancing wheel capable of doing 50 km/h (or the risk of having one hit them when minding their own business?) Even among proponents of safety tethers and disconnect cords, the prevalent concern seems to be damage to property (parked cars, etc.). "If you're unconcerned about your wheel hitting a parked car, try letting go of your wheel and hitting your own car". Once again, the argument is reduced to material objects. What about people? A runaway 20-kg wheel at 15 km/h involves a force of around 230J....taking a 60cm-high 16" wheel as a reference, that force could cave in a 3-year-old's sternum, hit a 2-year-old straight in the fact or break an elderly person's kneecap, causing, in any of these scenarios, temporarily incapacitating injuries in the best case, and serious and potentially lethal ones in the worst case scenario. My suggestion, thus, would be to have a friend ride your wheel at 15-20 km/h and jump off, while you wait, unprotected, for the wheel to hit you in the shin. If you're not willing to try that, you might be ore selfish than you think. If you don't think that risk is based in reality, perhaps you're being overconfident. I've lost track of how many times I've read in this forum "it's not a matter of whether you'll fall, but when you'll fall". The same applies to where your wheel heads when that happens, who's nearby when it does, etc. It's like where I live: drivers take mountain-road curves way too fast, invading the other lane, more often than not, because since there's little traffic, it's rare to find another car coming in the opposite direction; so people let the odds of their personal experience turn into over-confidence and keep doing the same thing, care-free. But it take only once for things to go horribly, horribly wrong. It might be a 1 in 100 chance, and those other 99 times built up a false sense of security, but the day it happens, it happens... If you drive like a dick and you're in a car crash, you're IN the car you crash and will have to deal with the consequences; if you fall on you motorcycles or bicycle, you're going down with the bike, whether you like it or not; with no other vehicle can you just jump off (and deal with the physics of nothing but your own body), while you let the vehicle run off and become someone else's problem (yeah, there are a million nuances, from bikes sliding away from you, cars flipping over into the other lane...but you get my point). Yesterday an old lady screamed at me for riding along a deserted, well-lit, 4m-wide pedestrian seafront promenade (at about 10-15 km/h). I stopped to talk to her and it turned out that her husband broke his hip because a bicycle hit him. I was being cautious and had no reason to feel guilty about what I was doing, but all the same, it's worthwhile to listen to other people's point of view to better understand where they're coming from. Consideration for others (and their safety) should be an innate quality (and the main reason to use some form of safety tether), but in addition to that, how we conduct ourselves and the safety measures we employ to prevent harm to other people can also have a considerable effect on public opinion and regulations that affect the entire EUC community. One unfortunate runaway wheel (even if it's one out of 10.000) that leaves a kid paraplegic or in a comma could be enough to create a pubic outcry that leads to EUCs being banned altogether... It's just a though, but one worth considering: if it's not out of civility, self-interest is another factor worth taking into account. And if one doesn't feel like assuming the risk himself...why not join forces and put pressure on manufacturers? (They have the resources and technology to implement safety measures that us simple folk lack). Then again, just a thought. Sorry if I sound like a self-righteous, moralistic dick, but anyone who's had their wheel spin around and hit them in the shin (which tends to happen at walking speed or less), knows how painful it can be...imagine if instead of walking speed it were 30 km/h, and instead of your shin it were your nose...I've averted a few potentially dangerous wheel-crashes against others in detriment of my own safety, and am glad I averted harm to them, even if it involved a higher risk of injuring myself. Of course, everyone's free to feel and do as they please, but I see no harm in considering unforeseen harm to others and the consequences that might bring (to them, personally, and to all of as, as a community). I rest my case. Signed, The League of Justice
  8. No way to know, exactly. And glad it's only a contusion. What is quite clear, despite the limitations in build quality of my wrist-guards, is that they can certainly prevent tendon/ligament rupture due to over-extension. Don't plan on trying it with zero protection to find out the difference though.... Hadn't considered the outwards bend offering more resistance. Sounds feasible enough... but as @Mono said, empirical data is impossible to come by with these things. As it goes, I bought a pair of such wrist-guards, but they were too small, and it wasn't worth returning them because the shipping costs were on me, so I gave them to my girlfriend for rollerblading. She doesn't ride fast, so the abrasion resistance at speed issue shouldn't be a problem for her. Comparing them with the ones I own, they brace the wrist much better, as they have 3 wide and sturdy velcro straps as opposed to the 2 flimsy ones on the ones I use. On the down side, the palm-side plate has no cushioning at the end, and just applying a bit of pressure with my hand against the wall, I could feel the end of the plate digging into my palm; in the event of a hard impact where the plate flattens out, that might not be an issue, but if it isn't hard enough a fall for it to do so, I got the impression it could be pretty painful, and prevention of one type of injury might lead to another one. This surely isn't going to be the same with all such wrist-guards, but it did seem like somewhat of a design flaw in terms of these particular (ProTec) ones. Will see if I can find a DIY solution (file off/round of the plate tip, add some sort of padding, etc.) for my partner's wrist guards If I had to get another set, unwilling as I am to further assault my wallet against its will to get some Flexmeters (), and based on my experience and what you and @RockyTop said, I'd probably go for something like what I have but with better build quality, especially better straps and some decent padding under the palm.
  9. On the subject of bicycles, I often find myself on the "condemning" side of the fence. To go from my town to the next (or any other), there are nothing but curvy mountain roads with tons tight bends and hairpins. In spring an autumn, they fill up with morons in spandex on road bicycles. Honestly, I find that they're a hazard to themselves and everyone else, even though they have the legal right to ride there. Go around a curve doing 60 km/h and find a cyclist struggling up the hill at 10 km/h with no lights or reflective gear, it's a recipe for disaster... I'm cautious and don't overtake unless it's absolutely safe to do so, but other drivers are less cautious, get impatient after a a few minutes at 10 km/h and end up doing stupid shit that endangers everyone on the road. There must be some spandex aficionados in the high courts of the land, because cyclist are allowed to ride side-by-side, taking up the whole lane, anywhere (except on highways, where they're not allowed at all). On roads where the speed limit is 90 km/h, for instance, that seems like a ridiculously stupid thing to do, regardless of legality. Riding in a single file seems like the obvious thing to do in terms of self-preservation, respect for others and plain old common sense. I'll admit that I've found myself a number of times wishing I could reach my arm out and slap them on the back of the head as I drove by them, mainly because of the despotic attitude behind it: a lot of these spandex-clad morons are self-righteous defenders of cyclists' rights when on their bike, and reckless drivers who can't stand to be held up for a single second when they're behind the wheel... In the city (or at least here), things aren't much better. Bicycles disregard every traffic rule in the book and try to take advantage of the "best of both worlds": Ride on the road, but when it's convenient, hop onto the side-walk at speed and use pedestrian crossing to avoid having to stop at a red light, then swerve back into the road without even bothering to check whether someone's coming. I couldn't even begin to count how many times I've had to slam on my brakes to avoid hitting a kamikaze cyclist (which can be anything from a teenager to a middle-aged woman or elderly man). Same goes for mopeds and scooters: After a while, one learns to see the patterns in their riding and their behaviour becomes predictable, but all the same, it's EXHAUSTING to have to check both side-view mirrors constantly, maintain a mental image of the 360º contour of your car, trying to guess whether the moron passing between your car and the car to your right is going to cut you off with no warning, and slowing down preventively so that if he does, you don't have to slam on your brakes, causing the scooter right on your bumper to ram into the back of your car. My point being, regardless of where or what type of vehicle one's driving/riding....safety education, legislation, traffic laws, authority and the threat of sanctions don't appear to be a decisive safety factor (Bonus points for counting how many cop cars a certain fedora-wearing unicyclist from NYC rides past while weaving between lanes on the KS18XL). I'm of the opinion that In the end, it all boils down to human nature and personal choices. Ride safely or not? Take risks or not? Wear protective gear or not? Take the safety of others into account or not? Ultimately, there'll always be as many different stances as people on Earth...I just hope safety and common sense will prevail among EUC-riders, as this community contains a wealth of information and we're all lucky to be able to learn from others' knowledge and experiences and open up our minds to ideas and scenarios we hadn't contemplated thanks to the variety of differing opinions.
  10. @Mono I stand (partially) corrected. It would appear that the reflexes I developed 15 years ago during my aggressive half-pipe rollerblading stage are rustier than I thought they were and my crash-practices haven't been enough to revive them, so when a fall occurs that I'm not expecting, at this point in time, they're not worth squat. Was turning at about 10 km/h on sleek cement, hit a muddy puddle I hadn't seen, wheel slid out from under me and fell hands-first (no rolling), direct impact against the concrete. Wrist-guards didn't do squat: articular contusion and two weeks of wearing a splint. Lessons learned: - It's going to take a lot more practice and lots more falls 'til my reactions are back to what they used to be. I still see value in knowing how to fall (and am stubborn as hell), so I do plan on further training those skills, but will definitely find a grassy area to do so, as suggested by @RockyTop (Sidenote: I wasn't practising falling when I injured my wrist) - The wrist-guards I was using didn't do squat to prevent the injury. If I'd been going faster, they would have allowed my palm to slide, dissipating the impact, but at slower speeds, and at the angle I fell, they did nothing, as they offer no resistance to impact. Something like this would have been much better: The plastic palm insert, as well as offering protection from abrasion and contributing to the slide, would have flexed at lower speeds and absorbed part of the impact, which my current wrist-guards don't do.
  11. Yeah, it's a slippery slope... in Spain it's similar: bicycles are meant to ride in bike lanes, but in the absence thereof, always on the road--never on the sidewalk. It's about speed and not endangering pedestrians (and endangering themselves instead by sharing the road with 1.5 tonne cars and 6 tonne buses..).There's something about the hazard involved in the weight ratio and kinetic energy difference that doesn't fit any standards of common sense: Bike hitting pedestrian: Weight proportion of an 80kg cyclist riding a 15kg bike vs a 50 kg pedestrian: The pedestrian's weight is 52% of that of the bike and rider combined Kinetic energy: if the cyclist is travelling at 15 km/h and hits the pedestrian, who's standing still, that would be 0.5 x 95kg x (4.167m/s)2 = 824J Car hitting cyclist: 1500kg car vs. same cyclist > Cyclist's weigh is roughly 6% of the car's (lazy calculation, as the bike's weight works against the cyclist...) Kinetic energy (medium-sized car travelling at 50 km/h): 0.5 x 1500kg x (13.889m/s)2 = 144,678J Proportionately, the cyclist's kinetic energy is about 0.6% of the car's; it's pretty obvious the car poses a much bigger threat to the cyclist than the cyclist does to the pedestrian. All the same, cyclists are expected to assume a far greater risk so as to not cause a ridiculously lower danger to pedestrians. (BTW, feel free to correct my calculations...it's been a long time since high schools physics classes... ) I guess what I'm trying to say, aside from the fact that legislators clearly have their head up their ass, is that EUCs have a considerable advantage over bicycles in both cases: On the sidewalk, we're able to manoeuvre much more easily than bikes, and should we lose balance while riding at walking speed (I'm not advocating for speeding on sidewalks), the outcome (upright riding position, etc.) is likely to be much less dramatic than in the case of a bicycle (for the riders and bystanders alike). On the road, our acceleration and top speed are higher (depending on the wheel, of course) than that of a bicycle, so we can "fit in" more easily and pose less of a nuisance to drivers (supposing that's what s**t-for-brains legislators had in mind when they banned us from riding on the road here in Spain). I bring this up because Spain (in its majority) is most definitely not prepared for bicycles, and bike lanes are the only place EUCs are allowed to ride--nowhere else. Yesterday I went for my first ever urban ride. The city I went riding in (30km south of Barcelona) does have a few bike lanes, but they often end abruptly with no warning, forcing you to continue either on the road or the sidewalk (both of which are illegal) until you reach the next stretch of bike lane (maybe 3km further down the road...). I chose the sidewalk, and did a 10 km test ride to the outskirts, where the malls are, and back, and found that it was a royal pain in the ass: There were at least 20 sidestreets and intersections just on the way there, meaning having to cross, in every instance, along pedestrian crossings where there's no ramp, just straight-angle, 15cm curbs (I'm not exaggerating). After the first 5, it starts to get pretty annoying: stop, pick up the wheel, carry it across the pedestrian crossing (pulling out the trolly every 100m gets old fast), ride for another couple hundred meters max., and repeat. I can see how after doing that a few days in a row, I'd be tempted to ride on the road. Personally, I think that's extremely dangerous on a road with no hard shoulder, rusty metal crash barriers on one side, and the way people drive here (driving at 80 km/h in 50 km/h areas); but I also feel one should have right to choose, if that's a risk they're willing to take. On another note (more in line with the original object of this thread), it seemed like I was the only EUC-rider in town. I rode courteously on the side-walk, and found an equally courteous attitude from pedestrians, who moved to the side in narrow sections to let me pass, and from cars, who saw me approaching pedestrian crossings and stopped to let me cross (something they're infamous for not doing, even for pedestrians) It might be a good idea to mount my action camera on my helmet the next time, and then publicise a real-life example of harmonious EUC-rider, cyclist, pedestrian and car coexistence And having said that, enough of my rambling. One of the side effects of being a freelancer who works from home, and having no work this morning...
  12. From the right altitude and with gravity on our side, I agree we can achieve considerable speeds As to outrunning my wheel at 40 kph, the only realistic scenario I can envision is me falling flat on my face and my balls outrunning my body...
  13. Hahaha yeah, the main road is curvy, has no hard shoulder and people drive like they're being chased by a pack of ware wolves! I can go further taking back roads and dirt tracks, but the V8 doesn't have the range for that....the 18XL will certainly open up a ton of options! Patience is said to be a virtue, but damn is it hard to wait!
  14. Yeah, it's hard not to like! And about the undulating bends, you'd love my neighbourhood! (Although with the kind of hills there are, I'd advise against anything with less than an 1800W motor) 😂
  15. Have pre-ordered mine. Expect it in lately December/early January. Spanish prices are the same as French ones (my distributor imports from France), so...2499€... At Speedyfeet it's 21 2195 GBP, which is 2467€, so more or less the same. eWheels' $2150 is much more reasonable, but when I tried to order my V8 from they, they didn't ship to Spain.
  16. Hit a toddler or a frail-boned 85-year-old, and it would have been a whole different story... I still think there's value (even if it increases the rider's risk of injury) in using a leash of some sort. A runaway wheel strolling into the middle of a busy intersection could wreak all kinds of havoc.... At the same time, I feel strongly that manufacturers should be developing safety mechanisms to solve these potential risks, so we riders don't have to experiment with DIY kill-switches and leashes dragging us down or getting caught on our legs in the event of a fall. I've long been opposed animal testing in the medical and cosmetic industry...but I never would have imagined I'd find myself advocating against human testing (or voluntarily signing up to become a guinea pig! AND paying for the privilege! In pharma development, test subjects get paid, not the other way 'round, right? The infamous "rat wheel" experiment has suddenly taken on a whole new meaning) In any case, we pay good money to be guinea pigs! I demand our safety needs become a higher priority! (Or at least, give us bigger wheels & cages, and better food) Same goes for safety redundancy in terms of the gyroscope (a separate, backup battery pack for the gyroscope that gives us at least a few seconds to jump off before things go pear-shaped? I don't have the slightest clue how/if that could be implemented, so don't pay much attention to my "wannabe inventor" proposals)
  17. By the way, what was this thread about? To go back to the initial purpose of this thread, I think this here is a wonderful (and very Spanish) example of perfectly appropriate videos to post: Unboxing of the Z10 while making a stew: includes cooking tips, invaluable advice on why one should drink wine when eating stew, instead of Coke (as well as which wine goes best with a chorizo and garbanzo stew), plus, a few details on the Z10 It's all in Spanish, but you'll get the gist of it... (For those curious about the author of the video, skip to 10:28)
  18. I don't feel anyone was saying one shouldn't ride fast on his wheel (at least I wasn't; I don't go over 30 kph on my V8 because that's its top speed ). The argument I was making was about doing so safely (as in wearing gear and understanding the wheel's inner workings and limitations). Based on the unfortunate victim's account (here and elsewhere), he doesn't seem to grasp the concept of reduced torque near max. speed, or overleaning, or why cutouts occur. I'm just advocating for taking the time to learn certain information that can prevent nasty falls like that, and applying basic common sense (wearing protection), particularly when riding at speed. As an example, I initially didn't understand why my V8 was beeping while going up hills at 20 km/h or speedbumps at 15, when its max speed is 30. I took the time to research the forums and discovered that by not landing perfectly horizontal (perhaps I was leaning forward), or because the tire is "airborne" for a 10th of a second, it triggers a sudden current surge. I learned that on uphills, it's all about current, not speed, and that the risk of a cutout increases as I approach max. speed. Now that I know that, I only push it to 30 km/h in areas that I know well and where there are no foreseeable obstacles (there's always the chance of a cat running out in front of me, of course). But in general, I try to stay in the 25-ish km/h range, 20-ish in bumpier areas, to give myself (or the wheel) a catuious safety margin. The things is...I want to go faster. So I've ordered a new wheel. One with a max. speed of 50 km/h, so I can happily cruise along at 35-40 km/h knowing I still have a safety margin because I'm not pushing the wheel to its max. speed (And surely, I'll want to hit max. speed from time to time, but there's no way I'd consider doing that with zero protection; I wouldn't do that when cruising at 30 km/h either...). An injection cutout can be forced on a car too, but that momentary loss of power doesn't have the same effect as a cut-out when standing upright on a self-balancing wheel... In short, regardless of how one uses their wheel or how fast he wants to ride, all I'm advocating is for more knowledge among users ("know your wheel") and wearing protective gear, whether you're going 20 km/h or you're going 50. I think we can all agree on that Although I understand and have sensed that division, I still think that, as I mentioned above, there's a converging area in both use-case scenarios that is/should be universally applicable. You can overlean going walking speed, and break your nose all the same. Understanding how the wheel works and wearing a helmet go a long way in preventing those unnecessary falls. Amen to that! Hope you find your way back to riding. Time will probably help. Also worth noting: even if you're not riding, you're still here in the forums, so the flame of one-wheeled love is still burning! (Sorry for the pun...)
  19. And in hilly areas? I dunno....but elderly pedestrians and mothers taking their 3 year-old to school shouldn't be at any risk of having a loose 30 lb wheel hit them at speed. I'm trying to figure out a leash system that works well for me, and will post when I find a workable solution. But in terms of manufacturers, I do think they should consider this issues. Weight and pedal sensors could be dangerous, as could cord based "disconnect switches" that could easily get caught on something. My ideal solution would be some form of proximity sensor, either connected to one's phone or to an ankle-belt receiver, for example. If the wheel goes 1 or 2 meters away from the rider, it initiates a gradual slow-down. Maybe I'll ask around, I have some friends with good knowledge of arduino. As a DIY solution, maybe a "grappling device" of some sort could be installed on the V8's handle (wouldn't work with wheels that have sensors though) that presses the kill switch in the event you strive x meters from the wheel... In any case, it's a security measure manufacturers should definitely explore; accidents cause tougher regulations, which cause people to hesitate, which might reduce sales; it's in their best interest after all...
  20. @Scatcat I totally agree, it's about perceived danger. About riding on roads at the same tempo as scooters or mopeds, unsure what to answer. Despite not being motorized, bicycles have the right to do that, and can be a considerable nuisance to drivers, especially in the hilly area where I live, where they're doing less than 10 mph on hills, on major roads, riding 3 bikes side by side (which they're allowed to do). They're a hazard, but require no license and have free rein to do as they please. And as to mopebs and scooters (49-125cc), here in Spain it's not like license requirements or traffic regulations make a difference of any kind. The thing I hate the most about driving in Barcelona are the damn MCs. They weave between cars, pass on the right and left, or in between cars (on the line), putting themselves in risk every other second and making it extremely stressful for drivers. And considering the Spanish "law of disadvantage", where regardless of the circumstances of an accident, the law will always favor the smallest vehicle, even if he was driving like a complete dick, disregarding all traffic rules, it sucks having to deal with these reckless little shits because not matter what happens, it's your fault. In that sense, at least here, where otherwise reasonable people turn into kamikazes once they hop on a bike, I doubt requiring a license would change anything... Looks like we've finally got there in Spain too. I'm waiting for the paperwork for my EUC liability insurance to come through: 30€/year. (Not mandatory, but a good idea to have) I don't think anyone's trying to scare people away from riding EUCs, but rather suggesting they don't do stupid shit that can result in serious injuries. These "unsubstantiated, theorized assumptions" that you speak of, and your insistence on maybes and the fact that those of us promoting safe riding are focusing on what could have happened instead of what did happen seems like a weak attempt to defend unnecessarily dangerous riding. Maybe you haven't had any serious falls in your lifetime, maybe you're unaware of how delicate the flesh is when confronted with hard asphalt and concrete curbs (no offense meant), but there are so many variables at play in a fall at that speed, that the odds of coming out (more or less) unscathed are meager compared to all the things that could go wrong. I'm as glad as you are that the dude didn't result more seriously injured, and think it's great to know that not all falls at that speed are life-threatening, but like it or not, the odds of getting hurt by doing stupid shit are higher than when not doing stupid shit; I think it's a matter of statistics more than anything else: Fall at 50 km/h with no protective gear 10 times, then (if you make it that far), count how many times you get lucky enough to break only one bone and calculate the average number of bones broken/harm inflicted.These aren't scare tactics, they're just reality. Honestly, I feel we're doing the exact opposite of what you're suggesting: we're just promoting common sense, knowledge and safe riding so that riders (and potential future riders) can make sensible choices, thus leading to fewer serious injuries, fewer "horror stories", and less fear on the part of newcomers. And as to the dozens of analogies and examples that could be used as counter-arguments about lucky-ass-motherf***ers who fell on motorcycles at 80 mph...that's not the point. I don't mean to be a moralistic dick, but I don't think we should be celebrating the wonderful odds of suffering "minor(ish)" injuries after a stupid and preventable fall, but discussing how utterly stupid it is to push one's wheel to the limit with zero understanding of how an electric motor works and not the slightest concern for caution and personal safety. In drivers' ed, you're taught reaction time + braking distance; defensive driving; wearing seatbelts, not skipping red lights, etc. Same thing here. There might be morons out there who disregard all of that, get into an accident and come out unscathed. But should we really be celebrating the luck of such morons instead of pointing out what they did wrong and advocating for safety?
  21. Cool! Hope I didn't unwillingly push you, via my enthusiasm, yo get the XL! But if I did contribute to tip the scale...all the better. I think it's worthwhile to pay extra and not find yourself wanting an upgrade 6 months from now. On the other hand...damn, is the waiting hard!!!! Anyway, congrats on the wheel! I think you made the right choice! I know, thanks. I figure that since my distributor won''t be receiving the XL for another couple of weeks, I'd give him a break for today (I've been pestering him all day long) and push the subject gradually, see if I can get them included with the XL instead of paying extra. Let's just hope my patience pays off...(then again, it'll be the second wheel I buy off him in 2 months' time...for any distributor, I'm clearly a valuable customer worth pampering a bit with free upgrades, I reckon)
  22. @Unventor I agree with everything you said, except for the EUC-riding license part. It does make sense in terms of individual behaviour not affecting the entire community, but the license initiative feels like pushing it way too far. I'm of the opinion, as @meepmeepmayer, that the generalizations stem from the novelty, and people will get used to us and learn to distinguish between courteous riders and assholes. The closest thing to safe riding education we have at the moment is this forum, and there's more than enough info for anyone (who has the interest) to learn pretty much anything they need to know. As always, it's up to personal choices; the information is out there, and whether it's in the form of forum posts or a riding course, morons will remain morons and can choose to ignore "reasonable riding etiquette" info regardless of where it comes from. Although I agree that certain regulations are socially beneficial (there are people who, lacking common sense, need laws to be in place to tell them that they can't drive at 60mph in residential areas, for instance), I'm not a fan of over-regulation. How far do/should we push for regulations? Should we require a license for riding a bicycle? Pushing around a shopping cart? Both can be dangerous, but a line has to be drawn somewhere and certain things need to be left to people's proper judgement, or we risk sacrificing way too much freedom...
  23. There are still units available! And I have confirmation abut the bigger pedals: Hahahaha that's for sure. If I end up living under a bridge, at least I'll still have my wheel! (I'm glad I have a motorhome as backup housing. Next step will be to figure out whether my current solar panel setup [150W] will be enough to feed the wheel... Hahaha Thanks dude! When I get it (waiting for confirmation whether it'll be week 51, 52, or 1st two weeks of January). Will add to this thread when I get it, as it might be useful info for anyone else living in similarly hilly areas and wanting to upgrade.
  24. P.S. The city council of Madrid is considering doing breathalyzer tests on EUC-riders; if you're above the legal limit, they'll be able to subtract points from your driving license...
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