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On 12/10/2018 at 11:18 PM, meepmeepmayer said:
Bad charger. It's just China crap, so don't be surprised if it dies without any reason.
These brick chargers are pretty rubbish, 10-15% annualized expected failure rate, AEFR. They're not all the same though, the King Song & Speedway chargers fail at a higher rate than the Gotway ones.
After some design changes to our rapid-charger, expecting to see the AEFR metric improve to just 2-3%.
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New App should resolve illegalities
Here's the procedure for running the sensor calibration, courtesy of Tina.
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7 hours ago, Marty Backe said:Fortunately, Jason over here in the states likes to be more on the leading edge.
When Gotway release a new model, there's at least a guaranteed sale of one, I'd be crazy not keep up with the times
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42 minutes ago, Lutalo said:
annoying 20kph limiter is obviously still in full effect for the first 50km; sucks! Wish KS would allow experienced riders to remove the annoying firmware limitations when receiving a new wheel.
Isn't it 3km to unlock to 40kph? You can also use WheelLog/Darknessbot to up the speed to the 40kph instantly without having to first clock up the 3km.
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On 12/17/2018 at 10:02 PM, Siggy said:Cheeky question: Do you think it is as good as the specs would suggest
Minimotors have the max Rider/payload weight on the Spider at just 80kg. It's not known yet if this is an overly conservative paper figure, or that the sacrifices to achieve a sub 20kg scooter mean that the frame is now made main of paper mache
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Sold this morning. There might be another preused Z10s coming up later in the week.
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Posting on behalf of a Customer who purchased a Z10, didn't get on with the ultra-wide tire, is switching to an 18L... Has 15 miles on the clock, in near mint condition. Will cover shipping within the Continental US.






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On 12/8/2018 at 5:24 PM, Siggy said:
Also @Jason McNeil when are you stocking these
Just launched the Spider pre-order page yesterday. The product manual dimensions specs suggests that the handlebar is foldable (see link on the product page); the max speed on the Spider is 37MPH, does it really matter then if its 3600W vs 2960W? Max weight is nebulous figure, if a single motor 250W eScooter has a 100kg limit spec, there's really no reason why the dual-motor 1,320W Spider can't support a 120kg load.
https://www.ewheels.com/product/new-dualtron-spider-3000w-peak-1050wh-battery/
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If anyone is in the market for a pedal upgrade on the V8, we've just received 100x sets of the V10 pedals. The brackets on the V10 are a couple mm wider than the V8, so William 3D printed some alternative ones that keep the pedal closed when folded up.
https://www.ewheels.com/product/new-inmotion-xl-pedals-for-v10-f-v8-glide-3-v5f-glide-2/
Looking for better foot support & comfort on your V8/Glide 3? The new V10 XL pedals are 1.5″ longer & provide 30% more surface area than the existing V8 supports.

To achieve a closer fit to the smaller pedal support bracket on the V8/V5F, we have 3D printed special spacer washers that can keep the pedal in the upright position.



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2 hours ago, Marcglider said:I will take the word of @Jason McNeil to what is going on in the area of issues and problems as he is the largest distributor here in the US, has ALL the accurate info and I trust his word as honest with no hidden agenda...
Ha, you're too trusting
. We just had a case yesterday where an MSX spontaneously shuts off. The Wheel was working fine for the first 8 miles, now turns off within 20 seconds of power up, very strange... Counterbalance is an 18L board which went up in smoke around the fuse area, pretty devastating carnage, total destruction of the PCB. Customer wasn't pushing the Wheel all that hard, it toppled over, & starting heavily smoking. Only Wheel that has an unblemished track record is the MCM5.
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7 hours ago, Hatchet said:
Thanks guys. I've sent an email to @Jason McNeil as well, as I said this is an expensive unit new in Oct I think it was, so we'll see. I'm going to drain the battery a bit and see if it will charge as suggested. I'll post back here and let you all know. Hopefully it works out, of all the things I considered going wrong with a wheel, the charger/charging didn't occur to me, it was board, mosfets, flat tire, etc.
Probabilistically it's a charger problem: in a 'typical' brick charger failure, there's no sign of life when plugged into an outlet, although there have been exceptions to this. If, on popping off the panel, the integrity of the charging circuits looks fine, replacement charger is logical next step.
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11 hours ago, Marty Backe said:The wheel wobbled for a split-second before I was thrown off.
We can't loose Marty! Do you think larger pedals would have helped? It's been on my todo for a while, but I'm going to get in touch with Gotway this evening to see if we get a 1 foot long pedal made.
That headshot brings to mind this line:
In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced nor cried aloud. Under the bludgeonings of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed -
1 hour ago, Rehab1 said:
Classy wheel for a classy guy! Your name is written all over it Jason.
Hmm, thanks, but underneath that Morgan-exuded exterior, it really must be powered by steam; the thing maxes out at 20kph.
Seems like a perfect demonstrator vehicle of form over function.
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Google picked this one up.
https://www.yankodesign.com/2018/12/06/the-gentlemans-e-unicycle/
THE GENTLEMAN’S E-UNICYCLE
BY TROY TURNER 12/06/2018
If you’ve started to see those one-wheeled scooter designs zipping around your neighborhood, you know they all seem to fall into the “futuristic” category… but not everyone wants to look like they’re filming scenes for Back to the Future. Designed with this notion in mind, the ESCIS unicycle harkens back to a bygone automotive era. The vintage look is achieved by a glossy monocoque shell, pinstripe tires, and chrome detailing throughout. Finishing touches like a faux fuel cap, leather/denim saddle bags, bullet brake lights, and even a hood ornament offer up even more throwback appeal.
Designer: Konstantin Kos

“I decided to create my own working electric masterpiece. Real chrome on electric motor, custom-milled and polished aluminum handles and parts, genuine leather, 3d-printed carbon-filled plastic body, polished and painted in the auto-painting workshop. It’s a totally functional model with 1.5kw motor and 680wh battery placed on a leather bag, weight 20kg and max speed 20km/h,” Kos told Yanko Design.






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7 hours ago, EUCMania said:
The forum said that everything is the same except the angle is lower, possibly the front glass shape is also changed. I will wait for @Jason McNeil to respond.
Thanks @EUCMania, I've reached out to my Ninebot rep to see how we can get these new lens/headlights. It's great that they've come the recognition that the blinding-oncoming-pedestrians-instead-of-the-road beam needed improvement....
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Forwarded by a Customer.
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45 minutes ago, meepmeepmayer said:But maybe a thin wire(?) in the lift sensor (or somewhere else?) will act like an antenna, have some induced current, and cause something unwanted? How does this work? How can the lift sensor thing lead to the wheel overheating, or which other electronic part would be affected? By what kind of signals? Cell phone? Specific signals/frequencies like Bluetooth (I guess if the length of the wire matches some wavelength)?
Glad they found it out, it may be a hard thing to find, but it still seems sketchy this happened...
To put it in some context: the motor freezing bug occurred on about 2% of the 18Ls, & only while using the trolley from a static position. The firmware update that was rolled out two months ago, detects if the controller enters this lockup state & performs a reset—only if the motor is static, which has never been reported while riding.
I don't fully understand how static discharge comes into play here, & if it does, then isolation (covering in a resin) of the specific vulnerable circuit would seem to be a more logical way of going about it. I'm going to discuss with Tina on Monday...
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Ours arrived on Wednesday into LA, shipped the boxes to Tucson, Fedex messed up, only twelve of the sixty sets arrived today, remaining 48 sets arriving on Monday
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1 hour ago, Flying W said:If that's the pricing in euros and we get hit with another 25% then this wheel might as well not exsist stateside. That would potentially make this wheel around the 4k mark. At that point I'd rather have an mcm5 and a msx with some $ left over.
Those estimates were based on the analogous 18XL pricing from Europe, with taxes, shipping, local margin, etc. It's really a bizarre world we live in, where the PRC slaps on an Export Duty Charge, & since August 23rd, we're now paying an additional 25% once they make landfall—which is factored into the price.
We get a fair amount of inquiries from Europe, I tell these prospective Customers that it doesn't make any sense to ship Wheels to the EU, because not only are they going to have to pay the Fedex Express rates, but then pay a 3rd tax (VAT) on import!!! While Electric cars are receiving massive $7,500 subsides, eScooters/Wheels get double/tripled taxed, how is this fair!
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This is going to be tough sell: not only does it dwarf the MSX, which no one would mistake for being the most portable of Wheels, but the price is expected to be in the region of the $2500 territory, or
30002500 Euros for much of Europe
I wish they could be more pragmatic, find a way to fit a 2.5" tire, under-handle switch & a 1200Wh pack (there's a lot of empty space on the handle side) on the Tesla, now that would be a winner!
Thanks @EcoDrift/Alex for announcing on the forum first
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Our CG animator just completed this disassembly clip for the 18XL. Intention is to serve a couple different purposes, showing how it's put together, for ordering parts, also I think it looks rather cool
. The number next to the part descriptions will be the SKU/part number codes.
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@Liamfind, it's always great to see some involvement at the Manufacturer level. Before moving onto a new product, I think Inmotion should first focus on improving the V10/V10F to make it a Best-of-Class product that it deserves; it's 95% of the way there for hardware, but needs some inexpensive tweaks, that your Customers have been requesting for months. Both King Song & Gotway have been pretty good with Continual Model Improvement, but we haven't seen much of this practice at Inmotion.
Handle Play: the external handle mount is fine, keeps the internal space available for the ~1kWh battery, but the 5cm of play in the handle, going all the way back to the V5F days (more than 2 years ago), is completely necessary & is a real problem with a 20kg Wheel. The folding hinge joint needs to be retooled with smaller tolerances to eliminate this play.
Reducing Speed Throttle at <70% SOC: a battery of ~1kWh provides plenty of surplus power all the way down to 3.2-3.3v, a chief compliant among V10 Customers is that while it's great to have 40kph cruising speed, this performance is available for only 30% of the total capacity of the pack. It seems the Engineers have not taken into account the capabilities of the hardware in the V10/F for programming the throttling levels. On machines like the Gotway Tesla, other manufacturers have demonstrated that it is possible to provide Customers with longer high speed cruising duration, without sacrificing safety.
Controller Performance: Gotway have introduced the HY MOSFETS with the TO-247 packaging, which has a huge heatsink. The empirical evidence from veteran Riders, like @Marty Backe, is that these boards are almost completely immune to over-heating & have an incredibly high reliability rate. The V10/F is one of the most susceptible machines to overheating, this greatly limits it's utility for hill climbing & operation in environments with high ambient temperatures.
Waterproofing: no doubt you're aware of the deficiencies in this area on the early V10Fs & the toll it took to the reputation of the product & cost to the distributors performing the recall. Any details you can share on what improvements have been made at both the organizational level & technical changes to prevent this from ever occurring again would help to restore some trust in the Company.
Sensible Spare Parts Pricing: as a Dealer, charging nearly $200 for a replacement controller makes it extremely difficult to offer onsite spare parts service for Customers. While many of the parts prices are inline with what other suppliers charge, there needs to be some rationalization for certain parts.
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The Gotway login server is offline, affecting the ability to login into the GW App Globally. If you're on Android. there's the original GW App that doesn't require login & thanks to @palachzzz efforts, WheelLog as well. Seems that Darknessbot is experiencing a few gremlins setting the speed config on GW hardware, hoping @Ilya Shkolnik can come up with a solution soon, as IOS users are pretty much out of luck for the moment
https://images.ewheels.com/GWv2.apk
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20 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:Well, instead of not recommending it, how about recommending that it only be purchased from a reputable dealer?
Unless Ninebot are willing to backup their products, with at least a parts warranty like every other normal manufacturer, it's impossible to make it work—with the tariff, there's actually very little margin on this Wheel. My China shipping agent is still awaiting possession of a couple boards promised over a month ago. I had tried to purchase other basic parts like chargers & tires back in September, was told that no parts are available. I don't want to go into too much detail here, because I'd like to try to normalize relations first (as I've been trying my darnedest for over a month) & steer this ship right again.

Electric Scooter Classifications
in e-Scooters
Posted · Edited by Jason McNeil
This year interest & sales of eScooters has surpassed Electric Unicycle sales—this isn't to say that the market for Electric Unicycles is diminishing, in fact Wheel sales were up 2.5x over last year
—but with the continued deep pocketed expansion of the eScooter rental business, it's fairly certain that more people will take to Electric Scooter ownership, with a corresponding number of new suppliers/models being released to meet this demand. In the past two weeks, I've launched three new products: the Dualtron Spider, Turbowheel Hornet & the Turbowheel Dart. The Turbowheel brand will be the eWheels branded line of scooters, since the Chinese manufacturer names are both unfamiliar & IMO not the most marketable...
During the exercise of launching these new scooter lines, it had me thinking that there should be some sort of broad classification of eScooters for prospective buyers to have a sense of where a particular model falls into. Similar to what we witnessed back in 2014-2015 for Electric Unicycles, where >80% products were pretty dreadful 16 cell, 350W machines, most of the scooters being pumped out of China are the 8" <300Wh, 250W feeble eScooters that won't last more than a few months on the rental circuit—in the Bloomberg article, it was claimed the average replacement rate is less than four months. There's quite a few other differentiators beyond just the wheel diameter, single/dual motor setup & speed, such as braking capabilities, whether they have branded battery cells (most of the cheap ones do not), but there is a rough approximation between Scooter quality & its performance.
What do you think of these classifications? Are 10 categories sufficient to capture the different classes?
Class 1: Cheap carbon-fiber scooters
Class 2: 8”, <300Wh, <30kph. ES2, Xiaomi 365, Stryder (280Wh), Gotrax GXL, Swagtron 5
Class 3: 8”, 300-600Wh, >30kph. ES4, UScooter V/S+, EcoReco L5/L5+
Class 4: 8”, >600Wh, >30kph. Mini4, T8/Zero 8
Class 5: 9”, single-motor, >600Wh. Dart/T9/Zero 9.
Class 6: 10“, single-motor. SW III, IV, T10/Zero 10
Class 7: 8”, dual-motor. Hornet, DT Raptor
Class 8: 10“, dual-motor, ultralight. DT Spider
Class 9: 10”, dual-motor, >1kWh. DT3, DT2, D4+, D5+
Class 10: 11”, dual-motor, ultra-wide tire. Thunder, Ultra