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About johrhoj

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    Ninebot, Kingsong 18, Gotway msuper 3, Gotway monster 3

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  1. I am now almost three years EUCing. The text you quoted is about two years old. In the early days I did contact the RDW (dutch traffic law organization) and they replied to me that the EUC was not a vehicle, and therefor not a motorized vehicle. The RDW cannot give an official ruling in the matter, but when I am stopped by the police (happened a few times) I tell them "The RDW said ... etc." The basic definition of "what is a motorized vehicle" (definition section in the law on traffic): anything for transporting a person, relying 100% on a motor, and not moved along rails. This makes the EUC a motorized vehicle, but the vehicle is not in any of the defined vehicle categories. So where does this leave us? --- When a EUC is to be allowed on the road, there must be a special permission for the EUC. This is a per brand permission. The rules to get permission are such, that no EUC will ever get this permission. For instance, the vehicle must have a reliable steering installation. --- If the permission is obtained (somehow) the EUC must be ensured as a motor vehicle (WAM), but to my knowledge, no insurance company will give you such an assurance until the permission to drive your EUC on the road is given. All the same, I think it is quite childisch of the police to conficate and destroy your EUC, especially because: --- you are a well behaved and safely participating in traffic --- you pose no danger to anyone --- you are environmentally a good alternative for scooters and the like. The best course of action to remedy the situation is to get gotway, king song, ips, ninebot, and the rest, to seek the forementioned permission for their EUCs. If we could persuade the manufacturers to do so, and if it would succeed, then the EUC-sales in the Netherlands could go sky-high (for those brands), which is the incentive the manufacturers need. I still hope this to become realtiy ... somehow.
  2. Given the same current (depending on the batteries), a higher voltage equals to higher power. That is a just physics law: Power equals to Voltage times Current. Whether all that power is wielded and put to the road. is an entirely different matter. I am inclined to say: off course it is. Why else did the wheelmakers feel the need to go to higher voltages in the first place? Also, wheels go faster that 3 years ago. In going faster, you need more power (you are fighting the extra air friction). Much comes down to the motor in the wheel. Does it convert this extra (sustained or peak) electrical power to better accelleration and safer high speeds? I hope someone on the forum can answer this question.
  3. yeah, I probably had a "Monday-gotway" (an there are/were more of them around should have been). The point is that I fixed it, and knowing the insides of both my KS and my GW, I do not jump to the conclusions that KS is safer. Statistically, the KS may be ahead, but I expect GW to is now more meticulous in assembling their machines (I do not know so). I am not saying that I know what the safer wheel is. I think I minded the "KS-is-better-for-sure-tone" of your message. I DO KNOW, that I like riding my Gotway more then riding my KS, and that is a quality of the wheel in itself And if the safest wheel is the one you are not riding, then my KS definitely is the safer wheel. To conclude: I do not want to start a religious brand war. I am not an expert in hardware and electronic circuitry, and I cannot offer an objective safety comparison. KingSongs are great machines. Gotways are great machines. Be safe riding whatever brand you are on.
  4. I must be blind according to @KingSong69 My KS broke down just a few months after purchase. Also, the KS has far less reserve power than my Gotway, making it a hazardous to strain it. I find my Ninebot One to be the safest wheel I owned, then my Gotway, then my KingSong. When I opened up my KS, a wire was crushed between two plates. A very sloppy assembly of the wheel. The length of the wires inside make this easily possible. I want to stress that this is my personal experience, but I will not let myself be declared blind (No hard feelings )
  5. I do not have a car either. I used to have a bike, but it stood idle in the garage from the moment I got my first EUC. When my son needed a bike, I gave him mine. As a result I only have my EUC. In case of slippery conditions (snow) I use public transport (commute). Last month, after my wheel broke down, i had to do without it for 4 weeks. So I used public transport for those 4 weeks. Three things bugged me: 1) Public transport costs a lot of money. 2) Public transport costs a lot of time. 3) Public transport gets you from A to B, but the in between is gone. This became especialy obvious in doing the groceries. On me EUC, i regularly stopped at the store along the way for fresh goods, and direct needs. Often I did not need to do shopping at all in the weekends. The solution to this all? Get a working reserve EUC
  6. My gotway had broken down (suddenly with no warning). When i opened it, the motherboard was not fixed tight. Two screws holders had broken of. The main screw (with the heat-sink) had become loose too. So the controlboard had a little movement. That resulted in one of the powercables come loose. Therefore, when you open up your wheel, make sure that the motherboard is still fixed in place. I think i drove it for about 2500 km in about 9 months before this happened. So maybe half yearly check. I know i wil do this from now on.
  7. My coldest ride (commute) was -7 Celsius (around 20F). My face ached with the cold. It is not the wheather to ride in for fun. I drive in almost any wheater. The problem with cold wheather in the Netherlands is, that it almost always comes with slippery conditions. And in those conditions, (just 5-15 days per winter) I do not commute on my EUC.
  8. hey hey @Peter C Posessing an EUC is not the problem, Riding on the public road is the problem. But then, i guess that is what you meant. The general concensus that it is not allowed. Most police officers are friendly, curious, and not very knowledgeable on the topic of EUC's. I tell them that according to the "Rijksdienst voor het wegverkeer", the EUC is not a vehicle, and that all laws regarding vehicles therefor not apply. I have an email to prove it too, because (I guess) I was the first to ask this question. I will probably ride my EUC until it gets conficated by the police (knock on wood). My advice: behave well at all times. Do not go where cars go, but remain on bicycle lanes whenever possible. Do not let the police see you do over 20 km/h. Only go crazy when no one is around
  9. I guess you could avoid seedy neighbourhoods, and parks after dark, and such ... The nice thing about an EUC is that you take it with you everywhere, especially if it is light or if it has a trolley.
  10. I love your text: 1) It goes into detail of rules and makes it clear the EUC is not (well) legislated. 2) You trying to help legislation/ rulings along. I would say that the EUC should be classified as small personal transport. A whole new category that enables you to go where pedestrians go AND where bikes go. I also think that different speedlimits (for different situations) should be imposed. Like 8km/h on sidewalks, 25km/h inside the city and 40km/h in the open. But it would be wrong to limit the max-speed of the EUC itself. If you go quicker, you get a speedingticket, just like cars. In the Netherlands, all these rules are quite different, and much more detailed. To the letter of the law, it is clear that the EUC is officially not allowed on public roads. At the same time, it is clear what course of action is needed for an EUC to become legal on the road. The manufacturer has to put in a request for its vehicle to be allowed as a special category of bike. The manufacturer(s) must prove (per EUC model) that steering, braking, lights, etc. is all in order. It is quite a list of requirements, but is also a list from which it becomes clear that this law is ill suited for EUC's (mainly because of steering requirements). The problem is that existing laws, that are perfectly fine for almost all vehicles and traffic, must be adapted to include EUC's, and that is complex lawmaking for just a few EUC enthousiast. I do not see it happen (in the short term). I hope you will succeed to get the rules in place that will allow the EUC's in your part of the world. Best of luck with it
  11. Just a little while ago, I was going uphill (5-7% incline) when I passed two skateboarders, standing still. One yelled: hey gimme a pull. I stopped and did pull him (just the one) up to the top. My wheel only managed about 10 km/h, but it worked.
  12. This seems to be a Kingsong glitch. I had it on my KS18. It is almost certain a firmware issue. My remedy was to always have a little bit of speed before take off. I could best reproduce this behaviour when starting on uneven undergrounds and uphill.
  13. Great story Marty, tx for sharing. Let me tell you of my last encounter with the Police: I was riding on a seperate bikelane, along a normal road, on my way to work. Two policeman on motorbikes stopped (at a busstop) and then stopped me. "It is not allowed to ride that on public road", was what they told me. I know they are technically right about that (Dutch traffic law). Some while ago, when I started riding EUC's I mailed a "government traffic authority" whether EUC's were allowed. The response I got was that an EUC is not a vehicle according to Law, because all vehicles are categorized, and the one-wheel category simply does not exist. Therefore I was just a pedestrian with a moving aid, and needed to go where pedestrians go. This includes bike lanes when there is no pavement for pedestrians. So I told the policemen this, in a very friendly way of course. They then said something like this: "There is a motor in there isn't it? And that motor does all the work?". According to Dutch Law that is more or less the definition of a motor-vehicle. And this definition does not mention a number of wheels. I admit I knew that at that time. All sorts of regulations then come into play for motor-vehicles, including insurance, license, and official vehicle approval. I played it stupid. I said that they were absolutely right and showed them how the motor reacted to leaning forward and backward, I answered as if it was just a question of someone interested in the workings of the EUC. The policemen looked interested, did not make any more fuss, and let me go on my way. Since that time I have seen many policemen in cars and on motorbikes. I am sure I have been spotted several times. I have not been stopped by any of them again.
  14. Still, ..., every now and then, I check here for news on this wheel. Disappointed again. 2020 ... lol, I am starting to think that it will not launch ever. Which is a pity
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