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  1. I think this assertion about euc user affluence may apply in other regions, or at least this forum. I think it does not hold as a characterization of NYC EUC riders. It is probably also worth pointing out that the legalization of ebikes and escooters in NYC (and for now the implicit acceptance of EUCs within this umbrella) is actually due to advocates for the people using PEVs to make a living, largely in delivering food. When the pandemic drove more dependence on deliveries, this ultimately proved a catalyst in legalizing ebikes and escooters as delivery people enabled people to hide in
  2. Do you actually leash your wheel? Have thought about the concept, but fear the cons might outweigh the pros. Is there a good way to do it?
  3. I definitely get the concept of trying to force some additional operator caution. But too many things out of my control that could end with my face hitting the pavement!
  4. These look pretty reasonable to me overall. Has the maximum speed been an issue? Clearly a lot of EUCs can go faster. Or just not an issue so long as you are operating at reasonable speed for wherever you are?
  5. I think the community outrage is reasonable when expressed in the interest of avoiding hard lessons. Loses its high ground in wishing hard lessons on people.
  6. Ok so if we are taking this literally - then the hope would be if this race was run again you would want them to not wear helmets or other gear so that in addition to looking reckless by behavior they also set a bad example by not wearing safety gear. And then on top of that, if something did go wrong, you would want increase the chances of the rider getting harmed while doing nothing to reduce the risk to others with the hope that is teaches them a lesson? This doesn't seem productive to me.
  7. While I would share in the hope that everyone riding EUCs everywhere behaves responsibly, I am a bit pessimistic that is a realistic expectation. EUCs and PEVs are new and as adoption grows there will be growing pains, including those pushing the limits. I think the better hope than consistent universal good behavior is that some regions do a good job adapting, setting a positive example of how to regulate in a way that is reasonable and appropriate while accepting progress. Started a separate thread along these lines, and with your experience in gov't you might have insight - What does good e
  8. Can we find ways to express outrage that would not risk being interpreted as wishing harm on someone? I don't think the intended point, but this could be read that way.
  9. I think there are a few things here. While I am not interested in more regulation, I do fear more regulation may be inevitable over some time horizon as adoption grows. I suspect that if people felt their own region's regulatory environment was stable, you would not get reactions saying some behavior is "going to get us banned". You might get reactions of concern for sure, but people would not worry about behavior in one region changing the rules for them in their own region. For instance, dangerous motorcycle, car, or bicycle activity may draw concern, but nobody would voice concern that any
  10. Back in 2014 NYC lowered the speed limit for cars on most roads to 25mph from 30mph. Sounds similar.
  11. For what its worth, while EUCs are not currently the focus of discussion in NYC, there is a very related debate in NYC for registration/licensing that applies to bikes, ebikes, and scooters. Doesn't look like there is support for such proposals to pass, but worth noting the debate is real. Kathryn Garcia Slips on Marcia Kramer’s Bike-Licensing Banana Peel E-Bikes Shouldn’t Ride in the Bike Lane, Community Board Committee Says Curbed - Helmet Laws Are Not What New York City Cyclists Need Right Now With Injuries Piling Up Across New York City, Mayor De Blasio Is Considering
  12. Not sure I want EUC grouped with motorcycles for a whole bunch of reasons, but mostly because EUCs can be operated safely in a lot of venues that motorcycles cannot (e.g. bike lanes). But kinda agree that registration or something like it may be inevitable. Seems like a lot of the rules needed are basically already in place (basic traffic laws). The risk is that the normal rules are currently unenforceable absent something like registration, and that leads to something worse than registration (bans being the extreme). I don't like the thought of registration and would not make me happy, but ma
  13. I see where you are coming from. Frankly, I basically have the same preference. But emphasis on preference.......don't think its a realistic expectation that the status quo holds as adoption rises - though not forecasting any timelines here at all. Right now, people see videos of bad behavior, and get angry both because they see something unsafe AND because they fear it will change their status quo for the worse. I understand that sort of response, but don't see that ultimately being any sort of long-term solution. To be clear, I have no interest in advocating for regulation. I just thi
  14. There is apparently a lot of energy spent on this forum worrying about being “banned”. These concerns are understandable given rules that already exist in some regions and the still early stage of adoption. Even so, my own take is that conversation is a bit too binary – either “banned” vs the grey area status quo persists – when the most likely eventual outcome in most regions is likely more regulation that does not include a “ban”. The key uncertainty is whether is whether such future regulation is reasonable and appropriate, or excessively restrictive. Done the right way, it could very well
  15. I haven't tried them. I know a lot of people like them. I believe that one key difference between the hillbilly gloves and the triple eight hired hands is that the hillbilly gloves don't have a back plate while the triple eight hired hands do. Might be something to consider if I have that right, though not jumping to any conclusions since I haven't tried them.
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