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  1. Damn, with that trim figure, you look like a teen to me. Can't see your face very well though. The giveaway is ... you're wearing gloves like a prudent old fart. No, I mean senior citizen. No, I mean ... adult? Oh, never mind me. Given that I'm only 14 now, I'm either in my late childhood... or my second childhood. What's the difference and who cares, right? Plus, at age 4, I decided to never grow up. I definitely kept that promise! Hahaha. I figure ... we only live twice. Right?
  2. Well, next time you're in the mood to visit Sedona, let me know. We can arrange a time and place for you to laugh your ass off watching me try to pretend I can control your EUC. If you can wait until near the end of the month or so, we should be able to do some flying too. Lots of bike paths and sidewalks around Sedona. Not sure about big grass fields though. But I'm sure there must be a couple schools in town, right? I don't recall seeing any, but they must exist. Right? Maybe the reason the age skews to "above teens" is ... older folks more often research what to buy and how to control before they dive in and buy and "drive". Whereas younger folks tend to buy what is popular or what their friends have (without [much] research), and just "go for it" or mimic their friends. Or, my guess could be totally full of BS. Well, actually, I'm only 14. I mean, my last birthday was my 14th. Strange what happens when you're born on February 29, huh?
  3. Well, I'll give you a hint. Got my pilot certificate in 1977. :-o Okay, I was young when I got my certificate, but still. So yeah, I agree. Why not enjoy life when the alternative is waiting to die. I sure as hell worked more than long and hard enough to earn some fun at this point. If I wasn't gonna fly ... or paramotor ... I'd probably just get back into riding motorcycle. EUC and onewheel look like a lot of fun too. Actually, if I was to move back to Wailea, Maui where I lived most of the past 25 years, EUC or onewheel would be awesome to wander the golf courses (on the paths or grass) where I used to walk at night (and play golf much less often)... plus the traffic was pretty slow and the roads had wide shoulders and/or bike paths almost everywhere. Which vehicle is best probably depends on where you are (the local layout and terrain and traffic). I might see how well I can do without a vehicle. Especially with smaller (10 liter) fuel bladders (?or even smaller?), if I find I rarely need to go very far, walking works. Or, if I really want to make myself look stupid (and make Bob very happy), I could push a really lightweight baby stroller around with the fuel bladders on the seat. Right? Hahaha. Talk about looking silly!!! :-) So yeah, maybe I'll try to do without a motorized vehicle, and maybe without any vehicle at all. If I find that has me taking much longer walks than I want more often than I like, then revisit this question again. Truth is, the more space I have in the cargo area, the more other goodies I can bring along. Plus, who knows. Maybe if I stick out my thumb I can hitch a ride back to the airplane. It's been a long time since I hitched a ride, but I don't mind finding out. Since I'll always be in [very] rural areas, maybe the odds of getting a lift aren't that bad. Not that I know after so many years. If you're in Arizona, you should get me to fly you around sometime. The only thing better than spending a fortune to buy an airplane is... having a friend who already spent the big bucks, so you can enjoy flying now and then for pocket change or "gas money". At 50mpg and burning automobile gasoline rather than aviation fuel, a 500 mile round trip isn't that expensive (10 gallons @ $4/gal == $40 ... not so bad). The ability to fly relatively cheap is part of the reason I chose this airplane. I spend my time mostly in Sedona area, southern Utah, and Oregon. By the end of this month I should be flying 200, 300, 500, 1000 mile round-trip missions 2+ times a week. Looks like only you and tessa25 are anywhere near me. I am surprised most EUC fans (here) are old farts! I figured most were teens. Hahaha.
  4. Nice bush flying video, but probably from a decade ago or so, when I wasn't paying much attention to flying. I don't recognize the names at the end is one hint. I enjoy airplane waterskiing on lakes and rivers, but am a bit more wary of landing on sand and gravel bars like much of your video. The main reason is, I always think my propeller is gonna throw up a pebble and gouge the surface of my brand new carbon fiber airplane. Or worse ... get stuck in a control surface like rudder or elevator. I more enjoy landing on mountain tops and mountain ridges... like a couple of the videos I posted show (one in the northern Nevada boonies and the other somewhere near Lake Tahoe). I also like flying down canyons and past spires and cliffs. I've designed 3D simulation and graphics engines (for games and scientific applications), but I just never got fascinated by 3D games or simulations myself. I guess I got addicted to real reality at a young age, and just never came to appreciate the joys of... video games and similar. My airplane has GPS, ADS-B out, ADS-B in, moving maps, synthetic vision and autopilot (and various other avionics goodies). I'm sure the autopilot will come in handy when flying across thousands of kilometers of empty ocean. There are even areas of the western states where autopilot makes flying more tolerable. But seems I'm always headed to somewhere wild, crazy, insane geologically, plus I prefer to chart routes that take me past interesting geology along the way to the extent possible. So except for long hauls, probably not that much autopilot for me during the coming months.
  5. My guess is, airplane fuel is sketchy more often than gas station fuel. But I haven't done research to confirm that. Nonetheless, every time a general aviation pilot flies, he extracts a little fuel from the low point in the fuel system and checks for water (or particles or anything odd). Which catches most problems. The more inhospitable the terrain, the better. In fact, my number one favorite mission is to fly around the Atacama Desert and Atacama Andes in southern Peru, northern Chile, southwest Bolivia and northwest Argentina. I explored that area on foot and in 4WD vehicle a few years ago, and it is my favorite place on the planet (as far as I know). Many areas are totally barren (totally devoid of any signs of life), vast expanses of emptiness ... just about as gorgeous to my eyes as I can find short of moving to Mars. After I get back in tip-top bush flying practice for a few months in my new airplane, I'll be headed for Atacama for several months of flying and exploring. Got my cinema camera, got my gimbal, got my tools, ready to go once I'm back in practice ... and southern hemisphere summer arrives. One thing most people don't realize unless they think about it is ... loss of engine in barren areas is usually not a huge problem for bush pilots in bush planes. What is dangerous is forests, because finding an area where you can come down without smacking into big trees can be difficult. That bike looks nice, but is too heavy. Otherwise... nice. Though it is also probably too long or high to fit through the opening to the cargo area. I was "this close" to buying a paramotor and taking training in Florida. Then I decided to go for the airplane instead ... for 10x more money than a good paramotor, wing, etc. As I recall, I was looking at the AirConceptionTornado and Spyder2 or Spyder3 wing and ... I forget what other components. But I will have vastly more fun with the airplane. One of the major reasons I changed my mind was hearing Tucker and lots of other paramotor pilots say how they only fly near dawn and dusk because turbulence is too dangerous or uncomfortable any other time (plus you can't legally fly at night). But I fly all day and all night ... though I do avoid thunderstorms like the plague! Hahaha. Plus, of course, flying paramotors in winter can be ... frigid. I am a bit surprised that people think paramotors are safer than bush planes! That I do not think, not that I'm afraid of paramotors. Oh, plus there was the minor factoid that I've had my pilot certificate for decades, but I'd have to start from near zero on the paramotor. Also, I've been an astronomy addict since age 4, and lived/worked at minor and major mountaintop observatories in many parts of the world for decades. The best location on the planet is ... you guessed it ... the Atacama Andes. I figure I'll move there once I finish flying around the western states, then take my trip across the pacific and back. I just love extreme boonies, the more barren the better. I've developed automated telescopes, and one of my projects that involves the airplane is to install a small telescope on top of a 16,000 to 20,000 foot mountain in the Atacama Andes that can be remote controlled from anywhere in the world via internet. I found a nice 20,000 foot mountain that has a long enough flattish area to land. The service ceiling on my airplane is 23,300 feet, but whether I can actually land there semi-safely is something I will have to find out. Landing at 16,000 feet is a piece of cake. Obviously I'll have to take the telescope up piece by piece because can't take too much weight up that high and still land short and safe... unless I can find a nice upward slope that ends near the edge of the top (landing on up slopes are awesome and can be extremely crazy short). The top of the volcano in the fourth photo looks impossible to land given the lighting when this photo was taken. But not so. The top is about 1km across, and there are at least two [probably/seemingly] good/plausible places to land that I've identified so far. Won't know until I try. Here are some Atacama photos to enjoy. Remember, live and let live, and to each their own. I understand most humans hate solitude and barren places, but I'm exactly the opposite. One thing is for sure, you'll never see the Milky Way anywhere near as well anywhere else on the planet. The Milky Way is so bright that much is in color like the photos. For those who think I'm crazy ... you're not alone. Most people have thought that about me for most of my life. My attitude is ... you only live once. Get the point? Probably not, but that's okay. I get the point.
  6. Go learn about the Rotax 912iS engine (and other 912 engines). They prefer premium "mogas" == 91+ octane unleaded automobile gasoline. I don't give a crap what some random document says. BTW, the first line in the document says "must be done according to local airport safety regulations and rules". Well, guess what? I will NEVER put fuel into my airplane at an airport! And since vanishingly few airports carry premium unleaded automobile gasoline, most bush pilots will not fuel at the airport either. Therefore, the rules of some random airport somewhere have nothing to do with me. That should be obvious, but you just don't get it. Also, if you know anything about bush flying in Alaska, you would know two things. First, pretty much anything goes (that works). Second, they take responsibility for what they do (which first and foremost means "suffer the consequences" of any bad decision). It is true that the Rotax 912iS will tolerate 100LL fuel. But then you need to change the oil 2, 3, 4 times as often and perform a lot of other services much more often, because lead sludge builds up all over the place when you fuel with 100LL, and harms everything the fuel or oil touches. So any owner of a Rotax 912 engine ... and a HUGE percentage of glider and pilot-built and experimental airplanes have a Rotax 912 engine ... does well to fuel his airplane with 91+ octane unleaded "mogas" (automobile gasoline). Just because you can find a document that does not apply to my airplane or engine does not mean ... well ... anything. Just for fun, go watch the video I posted where a whole slew of bush planes land at a Conoco gas station and Arby's ... and fill up from the gas pumps. That's what I will be doing most of the time. When I can't? That's when I need to fill up fuel bladders at a gas station to take to my airplane. Seriously, you might want to stop pretending to know things you don't know. You are much too obvious, and much too hit and miss. You did well with the Draco (awesome airplane), but otherwise you're usually missing the target by a country mile. Maybe you should stick to EUCs and other small electric vehicles. Watch and listen to the following videos for more information. For a quick review, start watching at 16:15 of the first video. They talk about fuel several places, but I'm not gonna spend over an hour finding every reference for you. At 18:50 through 20:50 he describes how you need to do a lot more oil changes and other cleaning of your engine if you are stupid enough to run 100LL through your Rotax engine. Listen to what he says at 19:20 for example. Listen and learn. And stop trying to tell me about airplanes. I wouldn't listen to you if you knew what you were talking about. And you don't.
  7. Yeah, that will be great ... to have a real test with realistic weights. BTW, for size and scale: - one of the 20 liter fuel bladders I found has a base that claims to be ~8" x 10" ... and 16" tall. - one of the 10 liter fuel bladders I found has a base that claims to be ~3" x 17" ... and 19" tall. The following photo is one of the 10 liter fuel bladders. As you see, it has a handle and cap (or spout) on top. But there are fuel bladders of other shapes.
  8. Yes, this looks like an option. I'd like to get the device below 12kg, but 12kg will work. Your point about riding to the gas station, then pushing the "vehicle" back to the airplane with fuel on board is ... a very practical idea. In retrospect, that should have been obvious! Doh! It should be possible to create a "frontpack" and "backpack" to carry a 10 liter fuel bladder in each. This is one advantage of cutting the size down to 10 liter. Much bigger and this would not be practical. OTOH, on this scooter, I think the better idea is to attach some kind of box or cage or brace system to hold the fuel bladders on the floorboard. That low center of gravity should work well. I think you're right. I should have quit while I was ahead with Bob. I'm glad you enjoyed the videos and photos. I wasn't sure whether providing that detail was in good form or not, since it is a bit outside the focus of this forum. I have to admit I got a bit jazzed at the various tiny electric vehicles I've run into the past few days of research on this issue. Many look like a great deal of fun ... and a lot cheaper than my airplane ... or any airplane! Nonetheless, I'm still more jazzed about my airplane and flying than these very interesting vehicles. If I can make one of the more fun vehicles work for fetching fuel, that will be a "two-fer", because I'll enjoy riding around on it too. Unfortunately, it appears the least-fun of these vehicles may be more practical for my purpose. Still, even the least-fun of these vehicles will still be fun.
  9. I'm not surprised to learn the 12V outlets are useless as chargers. But I agree ... I should not need to charge it with the airplane since I don't need much range. I wonder whether my provisional decision to carry smaller, lighter fuel bladders (only 18~20 pounds each) will change the dynamics and advice. Yeah, Bob is ... strange. And pathetic. I have no idea why he is hostile. Maybe he wishes he had an awesome bush plane like the Draco and lives vicariously through the Draco. At least he has good taste, though personally I'd prefer a CarbonCub or Kitfox with 915iS engine if I didn't also want to fly seriously long range non-stop flights. Nonetheless, very interesting Bob did indeed identify a truly awesome bush plane. And he's also right about the price ... at over $600,000 (so I heard) the Draco cost just over three times what I spent, not counting the endless hours of work required to design, build, modify.
  10. Bob Eisenman ... so nothing short of Draco is a worthwhile bush plane? What kind of bush plane do you have? Bob Eisenman ... show us how much better a bush plane you have than the tail-wheel pipistrel virus sw with 912iS engine and 26" tundra tires that I mentioned? Bob Eisenman ... who said I need to fetch aviation fuel? Aviation fuel contains lead, quite a bit of lead even given the common name 100LL == "100 octane low lead". Bob Eisenman ... for your information I have no intention to ever put leaded fuel in my airplane. But I guess you don't know leaded fuel clogs up Rotax 912iS engines. Bob Eisenman ... you should have recognized that gas stations don't carry leaded fuel and my whole post was about getting unleaded fuel from gas stations. Bob Eisenman ... if I was willing to dump lead into my airplane, I'd have no need to stop at gas stations, because many airports offer self-serve aviation fuel 24/7. Bob Eisenman ... if you think I care whether my plans or flying or missions impress you, then you are sadly and radically mistaken. Bob Eisenman ... I don't know where your attitude comes from, but I feel sorry for anyone who has no choice but to live with someone with that attitude (namely you). Bob Eisenman ... Sorry, but bush planes need not frequent airports or their hangars. No matter how pathetic I may look, nobody will see or cares. Especially me. Bob Eisenman ... Fly your better-than-Draco bush plane wherever you wish, and impress everyone, for obviously you care deeply what others think about you. Bob Eisenman ... If you want to impress me, follow me in your bush plane from California to Hawaii ... without ferry tanks. Otherwise, I'm not impressed. Mike & Mark Patey would never make such an attempt. OTOH, unlike Bob, they don't need to impress anyone, or prove anything to anyone, or pretend anything. ---------- To the rest of you here, thanks for the advice, information and effort to be helpful. If you're in the west, and you want to enjoy some bush flying, let me know. While we're out having fun, Bob can search desperately for people to impress, and who don't think he and his bush plane are a joke. ########## After the advice so far, here is how I'm leaning: - Much smaller fuel bladders (probably about 10 liters == 18~20 pounds each when full of fuel). - I walk and the fuel bladders ride on/in some tiny lightweight rolling device (motorized or not) that I pull or push. - Large and wide tires would be nice, but that is likely to not be important except very rarely. - OTOH, I am still open to something I ride, perhaps like a tiny eBike or scooter? - Still open to more ideas and advice. The advice here is helping. - The airplane has two 12V out sockets to charge devices. PS: For those folks who didn't want to take the time to review all those videos and photos, you might want to watch a minute of the first video starting at about 6:00 (the six minute point). This shows the best view of the cargo area I have at the moment... with a small eBike inside (a "YikeBike"). That's probably the best brief way to get an idea of the size and shape of the cargo area. What you will see is the hole behind the removed pilot seatback. The cargo area extends to behind the passenger seatback too, and mine cargo area is a bit more open because that blob-structure on the immediate left in the cargo area is an optional ballistic parachute assembly that I did not select.
  11. The Draco is one awesome bush plane! Unfortunately for me, I didn't have $600,000 and a year of time to create one like that. It is truly awesome, no question. However, what got me to spend most of my life savings was an airplane that can do two things quite well: bush-flying and long-range flying. For sure the Draco will clean my clock on the most extreme bush flying performance. However, my airplane can fly across the pacific ocean in hops, something no other tiny 2-seat airplane can do (without adding "ferry tanks" and taking off far above MTOW (maximum take-off weight)... for which a pilot needs special permission every time (and is incredibly awkward in many ways. So, let's just say that my plans and my airplane suck on the scale of Bob Eisenman. But I wonder. Would anyone else in this forum enjoy some bush flying of the kind illustrated in my previous message? Maybe not. But guess what? My airplane is good enough for me. And good enough for flying to Hawaii, to Easter Island, to Fiji, to Tahiti, to NZ, to UA, to anywhere in the world I want to go. So, knock it down. I don't care. Because you are essentially correct... the Draco is one awesome airplane.
  12. Actually, the fuel bladders I've been looking at do not hold fuel while the airplane is flying. They are simply for fetching fuel from a gas station, transporting the fuel to a boat, airplane or other vehicle, and then transferring the fuel into the normal fuel tank of the vehicle. They are not part of the airplane (or boat, etc). I don't have photos of my specific airplane, but I can attach photos of the same kind of airplane (at the bottom, after the videos). I'll attach a few photos so you can get an idea of the size and shape from a few angles, and at least one photo with two people in the airplane for scale. It is fine for 2 people to fly around in, but doesn't have much extra space. In the photo that shows 2 people you can see how the airplane body gets smaller fairly quick behind the pilot and copilot/passenger, and the cargo area is behind the pilot and passenger seats. So ... not much extra space. While someone does carry an electric bicycle in one of these airplanes, I very much doubt he also has room for tent, sleeping bag, other supplies and such too. If I can find a link to the video with the guy taking his ebike out of his airplane, I'll post that link below. My airplane is a tail-wheel version of a pipistrel virus sw with 912iS engine, optional 300 liter fuel tanks, maxed-out modern avionics, 26" "tundra tires", and so forth. The first photo is just a general photo that shows the wingspan (but is a nose-wheel model, not tail-wheel). The second photo is a tail-wheel model and shows the size of my 26" Tundra tires. I also have smaller tires with covers for best fuel economy on long trips (interchangeable). The third photo gives you an idea of how much space exists behind the pilot and copilot/passenger for cargo. The fourth photo shows how small the airplane is next to a "real airplane" ... hahaha! The fifth photo is a side-view of a tail-wheel model with somewhat smaller tires. The sixth photo is also a side-view of a tail-wheel model that is not yet complete (on the factory floor), but gives a good idea of how large the cargo area must be. The biggest difference with my airplane and normal ones is the 300 liter fuel tanks (79 gallons) versus the standard 100 liter fuel tanks (26 gallons). Given the fact this airplane gets 50~70 miles per gallon fuel economy, these large tanks mean this is the only small airplane that can fly non-stop from the west coast to Hawaii... and all the way across the north and south pacific ocean in hops of 4000km (2500 miles) or less (with 20% safety margin). And I do intend to fly across the pacific ocean at least a couple times, and visit at least several dozen tiny islands along the way. BUT ... a bush pilot prefers to carry much less fuel when "bush flying", because the distance required for landing and takeoff increase with weight. And so, to land in tiny spots (like 100 feet, 50 feet ... or even less depending on wind and slope) ... a bush pilot flies with less fuel in the tanks. The following video is very similar to my airplane with the small tires installed. The pilot removes an electric YikeBike from the cargo area starting at 06:25. Note that the obstruction on the left just inside the cargo area does not exist in my airplane. That encloses a rocket-propelled ballistic whole-airplane parachute. I decided to skip that option to save money, save weight, and increase available cargo area. If anyone knows the YikeBike, the view at 06:36 should give a general idea of the cargo area volume (well, half the volume minus the ballistic parachute). Not sure how great this tiny YikeBike would be for hauling heavy pouches of gasoline... though maybe two small 2.5 gallon fuel bladders might be plausible? Maybe? Do remember, the fuel bladders are stored in the cargo area, NEVER with fuel in them. ########## The following is also very similar to my airplane, but shows the kind of flying I do NOT do. I'm not sure whether I am crazier or this pilot is. I suppose, probably me. :-o ########## The following is a different kind of bush airplane, but shows the kind of places I like to land ... and picnic ... and camp ... and hang out. ########## The following is a different kind of bush airplane, but shows the kind of places I like to land ... and picnic ... and camp ... and hang out (03:30 approach and land : 04:50 hang out : 06:00 take-off and fly away): ########## Does bush flying look like fun? :-) Thought so. Anyone near my location can join me for some fun bush flying like what you see in these videos. My area has some fairly nice places to fly, including Lake Powell, Grand Canyon, Monument Valley, tons of unknown canyons. One moron bush pilot even flew through a couple arches in southern Utah. Insane! We ride these crazy machines for fun. Right? :-) No landing in this next video, just 01:33 of fun flying nicely synced with music (followed by boring talk about the camera that shot the video): ########## Here is some canyon flying starting at 05:08, some airplane water-skiing at 06:20, landing at Arby's and filling up at gas station at 08:00, flying through the rock notch starting at 09:05, some typical southwest flying starting at 11:43 ... just another day in the life of a bush pilot. ########## Or how about landing on a mountain ridge at 13:49. I love these kinds of places too: ########## Anyway, that should be way, way, way more than enough to help everyone understand what bush flying and bush airplanes are all about. A few photos of airplanes like mine are shown below. Mine is more sleek, modern and efficient than the others, but just as much fun. Just a lot longer range (5400km) and fuel efficient (50~70mpg). Now, aren't you sorry you asked that question? Hahaha.
  13. Then this game cart might be close to ideal, except for the weight. A smaller, lighter version of this would be good. Also, for my purposes, I don't need the bottom section to stick out that far. But for most other purposes the larger bed is probably better. I wonder whether anyone has tried to pull something like this behind an EUC or onewheel.
  14. Wow, thanks to everyone for their thoughts. I should add a few other thoughts of my own that I forgot to include in my original. Apparently this forum doesn't provide me a way to edit the original to make it more complete (and correct the 3~5 typos). #01: A "vehicle" that let most of the weight of the fuel bladders be supported by the vehicle somehow would be great. This made me think of making an extension for the front and back of the onewheel. If carefully designed, these extensions could probably/hopefully slide on from the front and back ends and add an extra 8" ~ 15" on each end. Then I could let the weight of the fuel bladders rest on those extensions while still retaining them via the straps over my shoulders. #02: As a general rule, I would not land in a muddy field ... at least not on purpose ... and so we can assume "no muddy fields". Though the airplane can land on fairly rough and bumpy surfaces, I should be able to always avoid that during "fuel stops". In many cases what happens in practice is the following. I can find a spot right next to the road a few hundred or thousand meters/yards from the gas station. So I can wait for "no traffic" in both directions (easy to see from above), then land on the road and pull into the "pull-off area" (almost all of which are rather flat dirt where cars pull off now and then). In many cases I can roll right up to the gas station and pull up to the pumps, but the wingspan is 11 meters and sometimes obstructions next to the entrance are higher than 1.5 meters (the height of the bottom of the wings). In these cases I need to find a place elsewhere, usually "down the road a ways". The length of the airplane is only 6.5 meters, so I need to find a pull-off spot that is at least ~6 meters wide (the airplane is a "tail-wheel" type, so the nose can hang over nothing about 1 meter or so). #03: In general I avoid cities and "real" airports... just cuz they're a hassle and no fun, not because I can't fly into them. However, if I land anywhere near "the edge of town" somewhere, the trip to the first gas station at the edge of town will be on the road, a sidewalk, a dirt trail along the road, or the shoulder of the road. As everyone here knows, it is possible to get off the "vehicle" and walk a few meters to get past especially difficult terrain. #04: Most fuel bladders tend to be fairly high, moderately wide (front to back), and fairly thin (one side against a leg, other side to left or right). While they are somewhat flexible, they tend not to slosh (they expand when more fuel is added to them). Given their weight, they tend to press against both legs when carried full. This can sometimes be annoying when legs move forward and backward during walking, but on one of your "vehicles", this behavior might actually be more stable and convenient. As a couple of you said above, I could take 2+ trips with smaller fuel bladders if necessary. Or alternately, I could take one trip, not get as much fuel, then fly around on that fuel looking for a more convenient gas station / landing spot. Since the airplane gets 50~70 miles per gallon, even a few gallons of fuel will take me a long, long way (say 250 miles on two 2-gallon fuel bladders which weigh less than 15 pounds each full of fuel). Now that I have worked through this mentally, clearly I should carry a couple of these tiny fuel bladders with me too. In fact, except for trips into extremely remote areas, much smaller fuel bladders might always suffice. #05: I suppose "stick out the thumb and hitch a ride" is always an option when conditions suck. #06: I'm not a lightweight, and compared to some of you "whippersnappers", I may be approaching what you would rude call an "old fart". :-) On the positive side, I rode street motorcycles for many years, including several 6000+ mile round trips across the USSA. About 250,000 miles total, no accidents. The "close calls" were all imbeciles in cars (which will surprise nobody here, I suspect). So I have at least a tiny bit of "sense of balance" on vehicles with less than 4 wheels. Oh, right, the airplane has less than four wheels too! :-) I also used to ski, but never got past intermediate, so a bit more balance practice there (but unlike the motorcycle balance instinct, which will never leave me, not sure about how well I can ski now). #07: Yes, I really would prefer to avoid the size and weight of an ebike. I do know someone with the same airplane has one of those and it barely, barely fits through the opening into the cargo area. To access the cargo area you remove either seat back and that exposes the opening into the cargo area. I'm guessing that hole is a bit over 20" high and perhaps 12" ~ 14" wide. When I get a chance to measure the opening, I'll add that information. #08: The more I think about this (especially after reading what Mike said), seems like I should restrict myself to 2.0 to 2.5 gallon fuel bladders (~10 liters each). If this change in requirements greatly impacts your advice ... give new advice! :-) #09: Does anyone have anything to say about that $460 scooter from inmotion (or better equivalent)? #10: One other thought I had was ... a motorized carry-on suitcase device (that the human walks behind, not rides). That is, if any such device exists. In case you can't picture what I mean, it would look like the following. It would have an L shape where the bottom of the L is where you put the small suitcase (or fuel bladders in my application), the corner of the L is where the two wheels are, the vertical part of the L is what the carried load leans against, and the top of the L is a handle the human holds to "push" or "guide" the device. Presumably the batteries would be in a "flat-pack" between the two vertical bars. Essentially, this would be a motorized hand-truck ... except a much, much lighter device for much, much lighter weights (like carry-on suitcases). Essentially, this would probably be designed for little old ladies that can't or don't want to carry even the modest weight of a carry-on bag onto an airplane. I've never seen anything like this, but my first thought is ... it could be very lightweight because it only supports the weight of the load, not including a human (who walks behind guiding the device forward). Does anything like this exist, perhaps? I don't mind walking a few miles to the gas station ... as long as I need not carry the weight of so much gasoline. #11: Seems like Smoother is also onto this approach. Not sure if any of the devices on that page are motorized. I suppose I don't absolutely need a motorized "vehicle" for smaller weights (say 4~5 gallons total), but motorized would be nice for longer hauls (a few miles) with greater weight if I go that way (50~100 pounds). The big question here might be ... does anyone make a seriously lightweight version of something like this? #12: Tessa is also onto this approach. But I don't think this device folds, and unfolded would probably not fit through the opening to the cargo area. However, something lighter that folds might be an ideal solution, especially if motorized. #13: Does anyone make motorized "accessories" that might be attached to some of these not-motorized devices? Like maybe accessories to convert a regular bike into an ebike? #14: How about a combo idea? How about a onewheel or probably better an EUC pulling or pushing some tiny "wagon" that holds the fuel bladders? This way the weight is taken by a mechanical device (not me). Plus, for shorter trips I could just skip the onewheel or EUC and push or pull the "wagon" myself. Boy would I look stupid ... like a 3 year old kid! Hahaha. Nonetheless, should work. Plus, I won't look nearly as stupid when I hop into my airplane and zoom away! Hahaha. #15: I will look more carefully at the specific "vehicles" all of you mentioned. I only briefly looked at them so far, but wanted to get a reply posted here.
  15. I need a super-tiny, super-lightweight "vehicle" for a special purpose. Since I have no past experience with such vehicles, I come here hoping some experts with lots of experience can consider to my specific requirements and help me choose the most appropriate "vehicle" for my purposes (with 1, 2, 3 or 4 wheels). So, what is my purpose? I just bought a brand new tiny side-by-side 2-seat airplane mostly for "bush flying". This involves flying low and slow down canyons, past spires, between mountains... and landing in tiny little spots on mountaintops and mountain ridges and other wild, crazy, insane places in the boonies. After considerable research I've found a fair number of places in rural areas where I can land on a rural road and pull into a rural gas station to fill up. Other places I can land in dirt or grass fields next to gas stations, then pull in and fill up. But in some cases I will need to land a few hundred meters or even a few miles away from a gas station and go fetch fuel. To do this I will carry two fuel bladders that each hold a few gallons of gasoline (probably 20 to 30 liters == 5~8 gallons each). That's roughly 30~50 pounds each. The fuel bladders are made of thick rubber and have handles and can have should straps attached. So they can be carried, one on each side for balance. But walking a few miles carrying 60~100 pounds is ... ugh! More than I prefer to struggle with. Which is where a super-tiny, super-lightweight "vehicle" comes in. The idea is to pull the "vehicle" and fuel bladders out of the (very small) cargo area, hang one empty fuel bladders over each shoulder, then zoom to the nearest gas station (which I will locate from the air before landing). At the gas station I fill up the fuel bladders, then head back to the airplane ... except with 60~100 pounds of extra weight (the gasoline). For this purpose, the following characteristics are desirable: - very small size. - very light weight. - very easy to ride and balance without undue strain, stress or awkwardness while carrying all that weight. - easy to ride on usually but not always semi-smooth surfaces like dirt, grass, asphalt, concrete, gravel along side road, etc. Because I will rarely need to go very far (probably a few miles at most), the following usually desirable characteristics are less important to me: - long range. - high speed. - fun riding characteristics. I cannot emphasize enough how important small size and light weight are. My airplane is tiny (only weighs about 700 pounds) and the cargo area (behind the seats) is not very large. Plus the cargo area needs to store food, water, sleeping bag, tent and emergency medical kit and tools, which leaves not much volume or weight capacity for this "vehicle". Originally I ran into the onewheel+ XR and thought that was great (semi-compact but a bit heavy at 27 pounds). Then I found some great-looking EUCs, but they tended to be larger and much heavier (like 45 pounds). But later I found a couple tiny EUCs that were similar weight to the onewheel+ XR. Then I ran into a 22 pound three-wheel electric scooter on the inmotion website for $460, which is a lot cheaper than the high quality onewheel and EUC products I found. It is a bit long when folded up, but I think it will fit in my cargo area okay. Then the more I researched the more small electric vehicles I found, and the less confident I became that I'm able to make a rational decision given my lack of experience. So I decided to find a forum where people should know better than me, and that's why I'm here. So, all you experts out there, what is best for my application?
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