Popular Post Smoother Posted February 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2018 Glad you came out the other side Dan. Wow, you're like a war correspondent, reporting form a live war zone. The bullets keep flying but you keep reporting; WITH ONE ARM!!!. What does your wife think of your continued use of the forum? Is she pissed, or understanding, knowing that we are now one of your support groups? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmethvin Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Rehab1 said: I just finished drying my eyes after finding a brochure called Pathways in my hospital take home bag. The brochure titled: ‘Tissue Donation Thank You Letter Program’ contains a heartwarming message along with archive numbers that assists the host company in locating my donor’s identity. Wow, that sounds awesome. I have twice gotten cadaver bone for a dental implant but they didn't offer anything like that. I would have gladly done it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Unicyclist Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 12 hours ago, Rehab1 said: l hope you're a "left ear" cell phone user... 'Coz your WiFi reception is going to go though the roof! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 8 hours ago, Smoother said: Glad you came out the other side Dan. Wow, you're like a war correspondent, reporting form a live war zone. The bullets keep flying but you keep reporting; WITH ONE ARM!!!. What does your wife think of your continued use of the forum? Is she pissed, or understanding, knowing that we are now one of your support groups? My wife is fine with the forum but never wants me to ride again. I’m planning to put the wheels up for sale. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post US69 Posted February 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Rehab1 said: My wife is fine with the forum but never wants me to ride again. I’m planning to put the wheels up for sale. You absolutly have to stay here on the Forum!!! Just a reminder for all others: Rehab1 is the guy which make the first EUC Talent challenge happen....he even throwed in the Prices! He also was the one who had the idea to "Patrion" for a member which out of bad luck has no wheel anymore.... He did so much things that make this Forum a nicer and more social place , i cant even count them all :-) 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted February 7, 2018 Author Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, KingSong69 said: You absolutly have to stay here on the Forum!!! Just a reminder for all others: Rehab1 is the guy which make the first EUC Talent challenge happen....he even throwed in the Prices! He also was the one who had the idea to "Patrion" for a member which out of bad luck has no wheel anymore.... He did so much things that make this Forum a nicer and more social place , i cant even count them all :-) Thank you for your kind thoughts and comments! They made my day! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Rehab1 said: My wife is fine with the forum but never wants me to ride again. I’m planning to put the wheels up for sale. I still say give it time, but I understand. The Mten3 does seem like a wheel that you could still enjoy without having to worry about speed. Then again I wonder, can your repaired shoulder (after fully healed) take the abuse of another minor fall (a typical tumble). I don't know what the limitations are once you have all of the metal installed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanghamP Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Rehab1 said: My wife is fine with the forum but never wants me to ride again. I’m planning to put the wheels up for sale. Or else? There's always a penalty when someone's interests are contrary to your own. If you follow their wishes then the penalty is you forgo something that is rewarding in some way, and if you follow your own then the penalty is you irritate them. So if you go ahead and ride a wheel, then what's the penalty? Suppose you also add a blow habit, and drink and carouse your black guts out. Would that be worse? My observation is that the man who drinks, smokes, engages in nefarious behavior, balances on some absurd vehicle, and can dance or throw a chin-high left hook is greatly respected and desired over the responsible man. The responsible man might live longer, though. Do your employees give you tribute? They should if they respect you. Speeches, get well cards, booty from Britannia... When someone says to you "no" then always ask "or else?" Tally up the cost and benefits, then make your decision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fryman Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 36 minutes ago, LanghamP said: Or else? Do you give marriage counseling? Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted February 7, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2018 3 hours ago, LanghamP said: So if you go ahead and ride a wheel, then what's the penalty? Suppose you also add a blow habit, and drink and carouse your black guts out. Would that be worse? I would cease riding purely out of respect for my wife. She’s had to cancel her plane flight to visit my son and grand-daughters this weekend. I am no longer self sufficient. She has to bath and dress me and apply all of my splints. When I was involved in 2 helicopter accidents I continued flying afterwards and she supported me. This accident is far worse as it has disrupted family members, my business and employees. 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fryman Posted February 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Rehab1 said: When I was involved in 2 helicopter accidents Dan, you need to stay home and never leave the house. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dmethvin Posted February 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 8, 2018 4 hours ago, fryman said: Dan, you need to stay home and never leave the house. Oh and also nominate your wife for sainthood. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoother Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 5 hours ago, Rehab1 said: I was involved in 2 helicopter accidents Are you insane man?!! Helicopters are death traps. Thank God you calmed down and JUST ride rode EUCs . But seriously, it's only right you heed your wife's wishes on this matter, your livelihood and physical health are irrevocably intertwined, and it sounds like she's worried enough already. How about a motorbike? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 2 hours ago, dmethvin said: Oh and also nominate your wife for sainthood. Yes she is a true saint to me in both sickness and in health. 1 hour ago, Smoother said: But seriously, it's only right you heed your wife's wishes on this matter, your livelihood and physical health are irrevocably intertwined, and it sounds like she's worried enough already. How about a motorbike? Yes you are exactly correct. If this were a minor accident my wife would not have an issue. Never in my wildest dreams would I have envisioned an accident of this magnitude. I do own a Harley that received very little attention last year along with many unfinished projects. Will they satisfy the void? Never. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted February 8, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 8, 2018 10 hours ago, LanghamP said: When someone says to you "no" then always ask "or else?" Tally up the cost and benefits, then make your decision. I understand where you are coming from but marriage is a partnership and this accident really affected my wife. There was never a finger pointing in my face with a demand from her that I give up this hobby. Her emotions stated volumes. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IPS Malta Posted February 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 8, 2018 I am glad this didn't end up worse and you did not pay further with health for your EUC, and I respect your decision to retire from riding EUC. Wishing you a speedy recovery. I really hope that this might shed some light to your wife though, as any adventurous hobby has its risks and you're calling yourself to start assessing new risks rather than learning on the one you experienced from. Bikes and bicycles also have their false feeling of safety and that is one thing you will need to learn by experience in order to truly enjoy them. When I was on my generic I had 2 minor accidents, compared to yours but both left me with 2 weeks painful wrists and I had to demand help to lift a laptop to work at that time (repairing laptops and computers so it was not just once a day task). I never went to checkups but they all healed perfectly natural with help of some gel that eases the pain and bandages to limit movement. I understood my mistakes and make sure that I and anyone else who rides the wheel don't get to do the same mistake. I didn't stop riding because everything has its own risk. I adapted to a more preventive riding and on the safest wheels I assessed I found IMO (others' opinion might differ, but they never failed me in 2 years). When you evaluate a vehicle and risk your life riding it, you do it with a mind. Back home I rode a toaster van for 120km/hr often (I doubt they can fine me on this statement :P) ... and a fail would cost my life but actually, it was a risk I took when I ensured my vehicle was in near to perfect condition and not putting anyone else on the same risk line (in or outside the vehicle). If anything happened to me I don't want anyone to be sorry for me (today I would be because I have people who depend on me, and the toaster is sold now). When it comes to bikes and EUCs and bicycles, with all we can fall down (you don't get faceplant but headplant and shoulderplant are still always possible), we are putting different parameters to assess, being on 2 wheels does not make one wheel not skidding and prevents you from fall. I crashed more with my bicycle even in dangerous traffic more than I did with my wheel, esp skidding at higher speeds than the EUC. My father also had plenty of skids with his bike too due to slippery oil and fuel leaks (no injuries and he still rides responsibly).I do reckon that I recovered from crashes on an EUC more than I ever could on a bike/bicycle. I don't own a motorbike and I wouldn't TBH although I sometimes ride outside of my country when needed, never the less I am at the same risk because other drivers here are riding motorbikes (on opposite traffic direction) on sidewalks. Today I no longer push my EUC to the limit I rarely hear my 18km speed limit warning on my i5 and the 26km on the zero or LHOTZ. My point is we all decide to ride and EUC knowing what we are risking and getting all the knowledge to enjoy it to its best. If we quit or ride it's our decision based on our lives and shouldn't be on anyone else's life. We all live it differently and risk differently based on our circumstances. In the meantime after long without any falls (with scratches of my jeans and training sessions only), my wife is getting curious to learn it too now (after her sister did and her mother's will with the latter is unlikely to happen due to language barrier and inability to teach properly) I hope this reached all of those who got slightly depressed feeling (like me that needed further thinking to digest) that the EUC is the most dangerous vehicle. In fact, it is not... you are more aware of your risks than on any other vehicle, think about if you where riding longboards down some hills, that would be a kill (you can youtube longboard crashes or fails. I can't). 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rehab1 Posted February 8, 2018 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 8, 2018 7 hours ago, IPS Malta said: I really hope that this might shed some light to your wife though, as any adventurous hobby has its risks and you're calling yourself to start assessing new risks rather than learning on the one you experienced from. Many thanks for your comments. Unfortunately to begin assessing the risk and learning from it I first need to know what caused the uncontrollable wobble. I plan to walk the bike trail in a few weeks to see if there are any tree roots growing beneath the pavement that I may have hit on the ACM. I finally went out this morning to examine the ACM’s damage. The shell took a beating. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IPS Malta Posted February 8, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 8, 2018 @Rehab1 that would be more of an attitude that I believe in. Identifying a defect or a cause and reporting it. It's ok you stop because you understood at the cost of some sort of failure and what is the real cost for you of getting hurt (disability at work or family). Behind the scenes I know there are still research and investment in developing safer wheels. What I wanted to emphasize though is I saw a wave of people (inc. me) thinking "Rehab1 is very skilful and he got badly injured, so maybe I should stop riding". I believe it was not your intention and yes I admit it's part of my interest to have people riding EUCs (See my signature) but most of us crashed at least once (if not probably you're riding it very safely with most of our experience in your mind), we all questioned which wheel is best to start with to choose the best for us and understand the physics and if that didn't stop us and we are using them responsibly I don't see a reason why to compare all our experience to just one or neglecting our own. I personally thank you for sharing your experience and hope it will be valuable to others in assessing the cost of using an EUC in a particular way. Mentioning your accidents in a helicopter at some point, helicopters are similar to euc... that if it fails you're down, but if you're skillful you know how to use your roator and changing the rotor direction will actually glide a helicopter down (and makes me think of a safety feature for EUCs that might help failures), skillful pilots died in performing with acrobatic planes and private planes, but none of us stops flying (including my wife that was having concerns when there was the period of missing and crashing planes) racing pilots all put their lives for the pleasure of them and others following in exchange for gratification of victory hopefully, but we all still ride cars and bikes and whatever they race on but more safely and responsibly. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Backe Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Rehab1 said: Many thanks for your comments. Unfortunately to begin assessing the risk and learning from it I first need to know what caused the uncontrollable wobble. I plan to walk the bike trail in a few weeks to see if there are any tree roots growing beneath the pavement that I may have hit on the ACM. I finally went out this morning to examine the ACM’s damage. The shell took a beating. That is impressive, which shows the speeds involved. Look forward to more of your investigative reporting. Bummer that this is really going to affect your sale price. Maybe if you include a pamphlet with your injury photos (and don't clean any blood off the wheel if you bled on it) you can turn it into a Special Wheel sale and recoup some of your medical expenses. Yeah, I think that'll work 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, IPS Malta said: I personally thank you for sharing your experience and hope it will be valuable to others in assessing the cost of using an EUC in a particular way. I will do my best as I do not want anyone else to go through this. I know the general vacinity where the accident happened which was across from a hospital of all places. I wished I had the wherewithal at the time to mark the exact spot. As for safety I may have broke a few rules: 1) Never ride fast on unfamilar roads or paths 2) Ride slower at dusk when shadows are projected onto your riding path possibly obscuring uneven or rough surfaces. 2 hours ago, IPS Malta said: Mentioning your accidents in a helicopter at some point, helicopters are similar to euc... that if it fails you're down, but if you're skillful you know how to use your roator and changing the rotor direction will actually glide a helicopter down Your speaking of autorotation. The blades actually do not reverse. The main rotor blades are placed into a negative pitch angle by the pilots’s intuitive action which keeps the blades spinning during the emergency ride down. About 10 feet before touching the ground a positive pitch angle is reintroduced into the spinning blades along with a significant backward flare of the helicopter by the pilot. The aircraft once again becomes airborne with enough lift and rotor inertia to landed safely. Unfortunately both helicopters I was flying landed on unlevel terrain which caught the skids and tipped the craft over. You then hear and feel one big thud as the main rotor blades hit the ground. Time to quickly exit the cab with a fire extinguisher in hand to put out any area flames once outside. I did continue flying for a few years up until my son died. Edited February 8, 2018 by Rehab1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Marty Backe said: Bummer I have contacted Jason to see if he can import some ACM shells and led covers. I can always hang it in the barn next to my helicopter blades and create some sort of stupid shrine. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electroman Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 Glad it went well, hope for and wish you a speedy recovery. Ohh, also hope you can find out what created the crash, I kind of hope yours did not just suddenly do something stupid like my ACM but rather some outside factor? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demargon Posted February 8, 2018 Share Posted February 8, 2018 I´m follow your news and hope you get well soon. The wobbling accident is one of the worse can happen to a rider, usually those who are reaching pro level riding a powerful motorbike. That misbehavior is terrifying yet in two wheels when already have chances for save, but no one know how save it in one wheel. That can happen to any of us, the more experienced in hi power wheels, more chances to happen. I found some instructional video about the wobbling, hope it give you some answers 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Electroman said: Glad it went well, hope for and wish you a speedy recovery. Ohh, also hope you can find out what created the crash, I kind of hope yours did not just suddenly do something stupid like my ACM but rather some outside factor? Thanks! I was able to ride the ACM back to my truck so the hall sensors appeared ok. There were some very faint wobbles when I hit bumps along the trail so I just slowed down. I still believe there is some strange contoured tree root beneath the asphalt’s surface that caused the major disruption when I hit it. The thing is I don’t recall hitting a large bump. I’ll get out and walk the trail in a few weeks. 2 hours ago, Demargon said: I´m follow your news and hope you get well soon. The wobbling accident is one of the worse can happen to a rider, usually those who are reaching pro level riding a powerful motorbike. That misbehavior is terrifying yet in two wheels when already have chances for save, but no one know how save it in one wheel. That can happen to any of us, the more experienced in hi power wheels, more chances to happen. I found some instructional video about the wobbling, hope it give you some answers Thank you! I did watch the video and for a motorcycle it appears to be inherent on some machines due to the angulated front fork. They also mention about lying down on the bike to calm the wobble down. All I know is that I had a few seconds to try and bring the ACM under control and for every input I made it just exasperated the situation. Very helpless feeling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rehab1 Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share Posted February 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Marty Backe said: Bummer that this is really going to affect your sale price. Maybe if you include a pamphlet with your injury photos (and don't clean any blood off the wheel if you bled on it) you can turn it into a Special Wheel sale and recoup some of your medical expenses. Yeah, I think that'll work Jason has the parts! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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