New Inmotion V10 / V10F

[Jeffrey Scott Will]

8 minutes ago, RooMiniPro said:

The addition of Bluetooth speakers seems odd in a high end EUC.  Do people (other than immature, selfish teenagers) actually blast their music out of their EUCs and force that unwanted noise pollution on all the people they pass by?  What's wrong with Bluetooth earbuds? Airpods let you listen privately without blocking important outside sound.  Having a boombox built into an EUC seems really silly and yobbish to me and it will just add unnecessary weight for those who are more civilised.  When people walking at the park see someone fly past on an EUC blasting out loud music, they will only hate EUC riders more.

There are a lot of things EUC riders can do to terrorize those around them, but instead of removing features that could potentially be abused, we should all encourage fellow riders to ride responsibly. Not every ride is in a crowded urban space - so many of my rides have been solitary, and I don't always want headphone sealing off the outside world. At any rate, a lot of people have some sort of portable speaker, so weather or not it's a built-in feature - people are going to ride however they want.

That being said, I'm all for making sure we all encourage *not* annoying those around us when riding. It's just a matter of common courtesy.  

[houseofjob]

Adding speakers to an EUC is not difficult or costly to implement, doesn't detract from the design aesthetic, like gaudy rainbow LED's you cannot turn off, and adds resale value. No one is forcing you to use the speakers (unlike the rainbow LED example).

Not sure what the complaint is here.

Edited March 13, 2018 by houseofjob

[Mrd777]

27 minutes ago, RooMiniPro said:

speakers seems odd

Agreed, its seems really strange that these are the specs they are releasing to us ?? A brake light and a speaker.. Inmotion is acting like Apple releasing a secret iPhone. Just give us the specs so we can buy it !

 

Edited March 13, 2018 by Mrd777

[RooEUC]

8 minutes ago, houseofjob said:

Adding speakers to an EUC is not difficult or costly to implement, doesn't detract from the design aesthetic, like gaudy rainbow LED's you cannot turn off, and adds resale value. No one is forcing you to use the speakers (unlike the rainbow LED example).

Not sure what the complaint is here.

They could also add a pump that squirts water at people as I pass by them and no one would force me to use that feature, but it still adds weight and if used, it would certainly create a negative experience for those around me, just like the Bluetooth speakers would.  You know those guys who ride Harleys down the street with rock music blasting out of their bike?  No one likes those guys.  Doing the same with an EUC will be no different.  Using Bluetooth speakers on an EUC will definitely not gain positive feelings towards EUCs from the public.  To actually hear the music from the ground up to the ears with wind blowing into the ear canals, the volume will have to be quite high.  I would be so incredibly embarrassed for anyone who uses that feature in public and consider them a bit of a selfish, inconsiderate moron.

[Vik's]

13 minutes ago, houseofjob said:

Adding speakers to an EUC is not difficult or costly to implement, doesn't detract from the design aesthetic, like gaudy rainbow LED's you cannot turn off, and adds resale value. No one is forcing you to use the speakers (unlike the rainbow LED example).

Not sure what the complaint is here.

Why? LEDs can be turned off easily and are not a source of annoyance to bystanders  - quite the opposite even, making the EUC rider more visible in traffic without unnecessary noise.

[RooEUC]

20 minutes ago, Jeffrey Scott Will said:

and I don't always want headphone sealing off the outside world.

Products like airpods and similar do not seal off the outside world at all.  Only over ear headphones or the ear buds that plug into the ear canal seal off the world.  I ride with airpods in and I can enjoy my own personal music selection, while hearing everything going on around me, without ruining the peaceful outdoor experience of everyone else.

If it makes sense from a business perspective and makes you more money then I see why that feature would be added.  I just would have thought that the vast majority of us EUC riders are too mature and considerate to use such a feature.

Edited March 13, 2018 by RooMiniPro

[kasenutty]

I disagree, Roo. I keep my music at full blast as I ride around town and people are always pumped up and excited. You'd be surprised how many people pump their fists to my sick beats and seem to be trying to sing along as loud as they can, even though they obviously don't know the words very well. 

 

[houseofjob]

10 minutes ago, Vik's said:

Why? LEDs can be turned off easily and are not a source of annoyance to bystanders  - quite the opposite even, making the EUC rider more visible in traffic without unnecessary noise.

The LED example I'm quoting is the annoying rainbow light on my MTen3.

Turning it completely off would mean I lose my wheel responsive brake light, which is super inconvenient.

Keeping it on means the rainbow pattern light makes the wheel gaudy and people react to it like it's a kid's toy, which is far different from the crowd reaction when I'm on my KS18S. 

 

12 minutes ago, RooMiniPro said:

They could also add a pump that squirts water at people as I pass by them and no one would force me to use that feature, but it still adds weight and if used, it would certainly create a negative experience for those around me, just like the Bluetooth speakers would.  You know those guys who ride Harleys down the street with rock music blasting out of their bike?  No one likes those guys.  Doing the same with an EUC will be no different.  Using Bluetooth speakers on an EUC will definitely not gain positive feelings towards EUCs from the public.  To actually hear the music from the ground up to the ears with wind blowing into the ear canals, the volume will have to be quite high.  I would be so incredibly embarrassed for anyone who uses that feature in public and consider them a bit of a selfish, inconsiderate moron.

It doesn't sound like there are many varieties of diverse PEV riders around you.

There are plenty here in NYC, and if the speakers are not built-in, quite a number of PEV (EUC, eboard, ebike, e-kick scooter) riders here will carry around their own portable bluetooth speakers anyways. 

Not having it built-in is not stopping them.

And again, no one is forcing you to use them.

And the "extra" ~1lb from audio driver weight (mind you, they're probably not putting quality hi-fi drivers here) is negligible IMHO, your own human body weight or backpack weight fluctuates more than that.

Edited March 13, 2018 by houseofjob

[Rehab1]

59 minutes ago, RooMiniPro said:

The addition of Bluetooth speakers seems odd in a high end EUC.

I is a nice accessory that also plays well with the younger generation. My KS16S had speakers and it was fun riding with music. When I ride the volume was always turned down out of respect for others but the music can be helpful to alert others that your are approaching from behind. 

 

[Rehab1]

31 minutes ago, RooMiniPro said:

I just would have thought that the vast majority of us EUC riders are too mature and considerate to use such a feature.

50 slashes! 

[Vik's]

17 minutes ago, houseofjob said:

The LED example I'm quoting is the annoying rainbow light on my MTen3.

Turning it completely off would mean I lose my wheel responsive brake light, which is super inconvenient.

Keeping it on means the rainbow pattern light makes the wheel gaudy and people react to it like it's a kid's toy, which is far different from the crowd reaction when I'm on my KS18S. 

Ok, that's making some more sense if you cannot edit or deactivate them LED's. Not good...

18 minutes ago, houseofjob said:

...they're probably not putting quality hi-fi drivers here...

And that is just one of the bigger reasons not to have them there in the first place... Because why would anyone want to listen to music on some mediocre "beepers" is beyond any form of logic... (generally most of those crappy BT-speakers are just a pet peeve of mine....)

[Esash]

16 hours ago, Bobwheel said:

That makes lot of sense to me, and I will keep listening and learning from you all, and I have confident to bring InMotion onto the right track. 

Maybe future models can have 30 kph as the standard high speed, but with the capability to go 35-45 kph in 5 second bursts before returning to 30 kph.

That would provide higher speed bursts for emergencies, while restricting the rider from going crazy with the high speeds.

 

[Unventor]

24 minutes ago, Rehab1 said:

When I ride the volume was always turned down out of respect for others but the music can be helpful to alert others that your are approaching from behind. 

 

I think you have a very valid point on this @Rehab1 in many of the videos I seen on youtube people seems unaware of approaching EUC behind them.

Maybe add a roadrunner soundtheme too just as you pass people, since you don't seem to have speed limits in the US. Kinda like Germany autobann for EUCs ?

[houseofjob]

1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said:

Maybe future models can have 30 kph as the standard high speed, but with the capability to go 35-45 kph in 5 second bursts before returning to 30 kph.

That would provide higher speed bursts for emergencies, while restricting the rider from going crazy with the high speeds.

That would only work if you could speed restrict the crazy cars and terrorist drivers for just 5 sec as well. 

ie. I don’t want to die

Edited March 13, 2018 by houseofjob

[Marty Backe]

2 hours ago, RooMiniPro said:

The addition of Bluetooth speakers seems odd in a high end EUC.  Do people (other than immature, selfish teenagers) actually blast their music out of their EUCs and force that unwanted noise pollution on all the people they pass by?  What's wrong with Bluetooth earbuds? Airpods let you listen privately without blocking important outside sound.  Having a boombox built into an EUC seems really silly and yobbish to me and it will just add unnecessary weight for those who are more civilised.  When people walking at the park see someone fly past on an EUC blasting out loud music, they will only hate EUC riders more.

I'm not riding my EUC in a national park. Everywhere I ride (bike paths, local parks, etc.) has plenty of people playing their own music or making other noises that you won't hear in the back country of Alaska. Or the sound of traffic noises.

So yeah, I 'blast' music out of my KingSong wheel or attached bluetooth speaker. I will turn it down or off when riding in town or through a populated park, etc. During our group rides we will also 'blast' music. It's actually very enjoyable - get it try some day. BTW, you can play motor sounds through the speakers too, to a horn that can be activated by my Pebble watch. Lots of potential uses.

I for one like this feature and hope Gotway adds it some day too. It's a big plus for me. Just one persons opinion.

[Rehab1]

11 minutes ago, Marty Backe said:

BTW, you can play motor sounds through the speakers too, to a horn that can be activated by my Pebble watch. Lots of potential uses.

That was a classic video of you riding around with the vroom vroom sounds!  

[steve454]

2 hours ago, houseofjob said:

The LED example I'm quoting is the annoying rainbow light on my MTen3.

Turning it completely off would mean I lose my wheel responsive brake light, which is super inconvenient.

Keeping it on means the rainbow pattern light makes the wheel gaudy and people react to it like it's a kid's toy, which is far different from the crowd reaction when I'm on my KS18S. 

Someone put tape over the top part of the light strip, leaving the brake light uncovered.  

[houseofjob]

2 minutes ago, steve454 said:

Someone put tape over the top part of the light strip, leaving the brake light uncovered.  

Yeah, I think I saw that, but I'm not a fan of DIY-looking hacks. I'm half-heartedly looking to see if I can procure a similar LED light strip that will only allow red and white light, but doubtful.

[steve454]

27 minutes ago, houseofjob said:

Yeah, I think I saw that, but I'm not a fan of DIY-looking hacks. I'm half-heartedly looking to see if I can procure a similar LED light strip that will only allow red and white light, but doubtful.

Yeah, it looks like it would take some time to drill down through all the choices.  But I learned that some of them can be cut to length.  But finding the right width and voltage makes it more difficult.  

Edited March 13, 2018 by steve454

[Marty Backe]

2 hours ago, houseofjob said:

Yeah, I think I saw that, but I'm not a fan of DIY-looking hacks. I'm half-heartedly looking to see if I can procure a similar LED light strip that will only allow red and white light, but doubtful.

I don't see how this will be possible. These are RGB LEDs so the colors come from the firmware. Blame Gotway's crappy choice of colors not the actual LED strip.

[Adel]

One potential use of the speaker is to listen to Google map directions for example, and still be aware of your surroundings since you area not wearing headphones or staring at your phone.

As far as music, personally I prefer using headphones as the sound quality is much better.

[Jason McNeil]

There's a new Preorder/Deposit page live on our website. What will be unique about putting a deposit down with us, is that you have the choice of selecting any one of Holy Trinity releases that's coming out in the next 2-3 months.. The same 10% Inmotion VX discount will be extended to those putting deposits through the link.  

https://www.ewheels.com/product/preorder-inmotion-vx-v10-vx10-ks-18l-ninebot-z6-z8-z10/

Edited March 14, 2018 by Jason McNeil

[Kael]

25 minutes ago, Jason McNeil said:

There's a new Preorder/Deposit page live on our website. What will be unique about putting a deposit down with us, is that you have the choice of selecting any one of Holy Trinity releases that's coming out in the next 2-3 months.. The same 10% Inmotion VX discount will be extended to those putting deposits through the link.  

https://www.ewheels.com/product/preorder-inmotion-vx-v10-vx10-ks-18l-ninebot-z6-z8-z10/

A man after my own heart.

[Scott Henley]

41 minutes ago, Jason McNeil said:

There's a new Preorder/Deposit page live on our website. What will be unique about putting a deposit down with us, is that you have the choice of selecting any one of Holy Trinity releases that's coming out in the next 2-3 months.. The same 10% Inmotion VX discount will be extended to those putting deposits through the link.  

https://www.ewheels.com/product/preorder-inmotion-vx-v10-vx10-ks-18l-ninebot-z6-z8-z10/

Awesom @Jason McNeil. I just pre ordered! But no forgot to specify which wheel I want . And I honestly am torn right now between the z10 and 18l. Is it an issue that I didn’t input this information ?

[Jason McNeil]

4 minutes ago, Scott Henley said:

Awesom @Jason McNeil. I just pre ordered! But no forgot to specify which wheel I want . And I honestly am torn right now between the z10 and 18l. Is it an issue that I didn’t input this information ?

There's no urgency, this just gives us a decent approximation for knowing how many thousand to order...  Ok, maybe not thousands.