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Well, I fell for the 2nd time in almost 2 years and I'm ok, thanks to full gear, bike jacket etc. I did not hear the alarm because of the noise from cars around. The cut out didn't happen because of speed but due rough pavement, was smooth at one point and than few patches, bumps and Msuper v3s couldn't hold me upright. It was in the evening and street lights were not enough to see.

Couple of things I wanna ask or discuss: my face hit my left arm and thats what protected my face from major injury I think (Ive mentally practiced that if I would to fall, arms go in front of me at slight angle, with full gear my arms would take most impact and protect my face).

Talking with a friend about full face helmet he brought very good point, if you hit face first, there would be major strain on your neck or worse. The front of full face helmet extends forward a lot and would apply major pressure on you neck. 

170lbs., Msuper V3S 1300 battery, had about 80% when left for 15km/ 9.5miles. speed around 45km/h or 28 mph (I have gone 53km/h or 33 mph before).

Now I need full case, front light and handle? where can it be ordered? thanks.

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47 minutes ago, yourtoys7 said:

Well, I fell for the 2nd time in almost 2 years and I'm ok, thanks to full gear, bike jacket etc. I did not hear the alarm because of the noise from cars around. The cut out didn't happen because of speed but due rough pavement, was smooth at one point and than few patches, bumps and Msuper v3s couldn't hold me upright. It was in the evening and street lights were not enough to see.

Couple of things I wanna ask or discuss: my face hit my left arm and thats what protected my face from major injury I think (Ive mentally practiced that if I would to fall, arms go in front of me at slight angle, with full gear my arms would take most impact and protect my face).

Talking with a friend about full face helmet he brought very good point, if you hit face first, there would be major strain on your neck or worse. The front of full face helmet extends forward a lot and would apply major pressure on you neck. 

170lbs., Msuper V3S 1300 battery, had about 80% when left for 15km/ 9.5miles. speed around 45km/h or 28 mph (I have gone 53km/h or 33 mph before).

Now I need full case, front light and handle? where can it be ordered? thanks.

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Wow, that's very dramatic @yourtoys7! Glad that you are basically OK.

Were you able to finish your ride, or was the wheel damaged?

Your experience just confirms my desire not to ride fast unless I have great visibility, and to always slow down as I approach bumps, uneven pavement, etc. It's a good lessons learned, and I think you for posting this.

Regarding the helmet, your post comes at a good time. I keep going back-and-forth, trying to decide whether I want to upgrade to a full-face helmet. Now I have even more doubts. :confused1:

Take care 

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4 minutes ago, Hunka Hunka Burning Love said:

Full face helmet or one with a chin bar might be on the list too especially if you're a speed demon.  :blink:

https://www.speedyfeet.co.uk/products/gotway-msuper-v3-shell

@Hunka Hunka Burning Love - I don't think you read his whole post

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1 hour ago, yourtoys7 said:

Well, I fell for the 2nd time in almost 2 years and I'm ok, thanks to full gear, bike jacket etc. I did not hear the alarm because of the noise from cars around. The cut out didn't happen because of speed but due rough pavement, was smooth at one point and than few patches, bumps and Msuper v3s couldn't hold me upright. It was in the evening and street lights were not enough to see.

Couple of things I wanna ask or discuss: my face hit my left arm and thats what protected my face from major injury I think (Ive mentally practiced that if I would to fall, arms go in front of me at slight angle, with full gear my arms would take most impact and protect my face).

Talking with a friend about full face helmet he brought very good point, if you hit face first, there would be major strain on your neck or worse. The front of full face helmet extends forward a lot and would apply major pressure on you neck. 

Glad you are OK, and thanks for sharing all the details and photos. I am unsure the 'advice' from your friend is really accurate, though. Rather than post a bunch of links to studies, articles, etc., regarding full-face helmets, I want to share a couple videos from the Longboarding community. As they say, a video is worth a million words?

Faceplant -slide with Predator DH6-X  – rider suffered a broken ankle but was otherwise OK. 

Car collision @1:39 with a clamshell (OK, not full-face, but still worth watching). 

 

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Very pleased to hear you are, for the most part, unscathed. I have to disagree with your friend though. Helmets provide protection through many ways, one is deformation which decelerates your head over a longer period of time reducing the peak force delivered. Just because the chin bar of a helmet extends 2 or three inches in front of your face normally does not mean it is that far away as it absorbs a faceplant. Non downhill rated helmets like the Bell may actually deform enough to touch your chin when you look at the test videos. I would be inclined to believe years of crash testing and medical results over your friends advice unless he has some credible relevant education and professional experience to back it up.

Glad you are still with us to ride again. :thumbup:

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+ one you're ok. Bummer about the damage your wheel sustained (square body not good). 

As for your friends advice about full face helmets. Take his advice and continue to risk slamming your face into the pavement. There's a reason formula1 and all bike racing mandate full face and a bunch of others too (NASCAR withstanding)

In the first long board video 2 observations:

1. Although the helmet screen was only in contact with the road for less than a second, observe all the scratches (I'm sure he was really glad that wasn't his face). 

2.  Notice how fast it all went down from hitting the loose board to hitting the deck in about 0.25 sec. And what seemed to touch down first?  Hand. Wrist guards people. Gloves are not enough. 

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Just to add a second thought. While it seems you have great reflexes to have got your arm in front of your face during the fall I think this may have only been possible because you experienced the best kind of fall situation (if such a thing exists). It sounds like you suffered an environmentally induced overlean (the wheel could not keep up with your body) rather than a cutout or hardware failure (the wheel becomes a dead weight, or in the case of fused motor wires or a blown MOSFET potentially a brake!!!).

So what am I getting at?

As I read it, in your experience the wheel just ran out of torque to maintain the speed/acceleration necessary and drag you and itself over whatever bump(s) caused the problem. Even though you fell, the wheel was still actually trying to drive forward under you (just not fast enough) and so, while you still hit the ground with extreme overall horizontal velocity, the rate at which your face rotated into the ground was reduced because the difference between the velocity of your feet and head was not as severe as it could have been thanks to the wheel still pushing forward. Had it been a full on cutout the motor drag and tire friction would have decelerated your feet quicker resulting in greater rotational velocity of your body/head and less time to react (probably too little to do much at all). Had you blown a MOSFET or had fused motor wires (you do ride a Gotway) the wheel would have locked (or been heavily resistant to rotation) essentially ripping your feet from under you probably giving you no time to even realize what was happening and pummeling your face into the road at insane speeds. I think you were very, VERY lucky to have experienced what you did and to have walked away with your face in one piece. I think a guardian angel just gave you a warning. I would heed it in a huge way.

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@yourtoys7 Relieved you are mostly OK and all damage to self and wheel can be healed and repaired.

Unless your friend is a neurosurgeon or physical therapy specialist, I'd take their helmet advice with a healthy degree of skepticism. A quick literature review pulls up plenty of credible research that concluded that a full-face helmet does not increase the risk of cervical spine injury:

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2015/487985/ (2015). "The HI [head injury] patients using a helmet , full-coverage helmet, and partial-coverage helmet exhibited a significantly decreased rate of CSI (emphasis added) compared with those without a helmet. Conclusion. Wearing full-coverage and partial-coverage helmets significantly reduced the risk of CSI [cervical spine injury] among HI patients following motorcycle crashes. This effect may be due to the smooth surface and hard padding materials of helmet."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21227720 (2011). "Helmeted motorcyclists are less likely to suffer a cervical spine injury after a motorcycle collision. This finding challenges a long-standing objection to mandatory helmet use that claims helmets are associated with cervical spine injury."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15823877 (2005). "The study showed that there was no significant difference in the odds of cervical spinal cord injury among unhelmeted and helmeted motorcyclist acute survivors. In addition, it confirmed the findings of a recently published Australian fatality study demonstrating no difference in the odds of cervical spinal cord injury among full-face and open-face helmet wearers."

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Guys thanks for all the info. and recommendation. This post was to share another user error and Not Gotway/ machine malfunction. 

Over the winter here I will replace the case and fix what ever else needed. My app will not connect, telling me to turn Bluetooth on while being on, maybe something got damaged inside.

For sure I will be going much slower... somehow this fall made me realize how fast things can go wrong. I feel seriously blessed to walk away from this as I have. Will be looking into full face helmet for sure. 

 

@Marty Backe    Yes, I did ride home from there about 7km., I turned the wheel back on, it balanced, but I did ride much slower back.

@litewave I'll be looking into full face for sure.

@WARPed1701D It was more a conversation because we normally fall face forward and he just pointed that out, I thought of seeing other peoples opinion as well. The wheel still works, so looks no damage besides body, will open the wheel tomorrow to look further. For now, I'm not able to connect to the app. "turn on Bluetooth", but it is on.

@Smoother yes, completely agree.

@who_the thanks for the links, will be looking for full face.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

@Hunka Hunka Burning Love - I don't think you read his whole post

Whoops!  I was too dazed and shocked by the blood and injuries!  :blink:

Might be that the Bluetooth daughter board needs to be reseated and Kafuter RTV'd (silicone secured).

https://www.ebay.com/p/Kafuter-Silicone-Industrial-Adhesive-704-RTV-Silicone-Rubber-White-Glue-45g/2126547037

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21 minutes ago, yourtoys7 said:

Guys thanks for all the info. and recommendation. This post was to share another user error and Not Gotway/ machine malfunction. 

Over the winter here I will replace the case and fix what ever else needed. My app will not connect, telling me to turn Bluetooth on while being on, maybe something got damaged inside.

For sure I will be going much slower... somehow this fall made me realize how fast things can go wrong. I feel seriously blessed to walk away from this as I have. Will be looking into full face helmet for sure. 

 

@Marty Backe    Yes, I did ride home from there about 7km., I turned the wheel back on, it balanced, but I did ride much slower back.

@litewave I'll be looking into full face for sure.

@WARPed1701D It was more a conversation because we normally fall face forward and he just pointed that out, I thought of seeing other peoples opinion as well. The wheel still works, so looks no damage besides body, will open the wheel tomorrow to look further. For now, I'm not able to connect to the app. "turn on Bluetooth", but it is on.

@Smoother yes, completely agree.

@who_the thanks for the links, will be looking for full face.

 

 

The Bluetooth module is only secured by some silicon to one of the capacitors. It's a very poor physical connection. With that violent crash I'm going to guess that it got knocked loose. Good luck with your repairs.

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11 hours ago, KingSong69 said:

Most important is that you are OK!

Yep.

If you really have no other injuries, lucky!

11 hours ago, KingSong69 said:

Most important is that you are OK!

Get well soon! Parts you might get at ewheels.com, speedyfeet, or aliexpress/green travelling.

Yep.

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I think you should slow down a little with your msuper. 50km/h is too much as a baseline max speed, apparently.:efee47c9c8:

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UPDATE: I wiggled usb lightly and it works now :), usb attached to capacitor (it wiggles) the one beside it is firm, can I use silicone between capacitors to hold them together?

  Left side took the heat as I was thinking I shifted my body to the right a little to take impact on left side. Few screws are gone/ broke off, inside panel cracked (see photo). Other wise the case seems ok, I might just leave it as is.... "Will be reminder what happens when you go Fast"   I'll cover the front. 

If I do need to ride in the evening in the future I'll be going much slower and with much brighter hand held flashlight.

Any comments/ recommendations are welcome. If you see something that I should check/ pay attention to from pic. let me know...

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8 minutes ago, yourtoys7 said:

UPDATE: I wiggled usb lightly and it works now :), usb attached to brown cylinder thing (it wiggles) the one beside it is firm, can I use silicone between cylinders to hold them together?

The Brown cylinder things (=capacitors) are one of the most important things on the board!!!

Check them and be TOTALLY sure, that None of their leads/wires is broken!!! And yes you should secure them together with Silicon if they are not damaged!

They should not move at all when attached correctly, as moving might break on of their leads = Faceplant.

When testing the wheel: When the pedals are Kind of weak/softer than before...the capacitor (or one of them) is defect. Dont drive then! A faceplant and/or more damage of the board otherwise might follow soon!

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1 hour ago, yourtoys7 said:

UPDATE: I wiggled usb lightly and it works now :), usb attached to brown cylinder thing (it wiggles) the one beside it is firm, can I use silicone between cylinders to hold them together?

  Left side took the heat as I was thinking I shifted my body to the right a little to take impact on left side. Few screws are gone/ broke off, inside panel cracked (see photo). Other wise the case seems ok, I might just leave it as is.... "Will be reminder what happens when you go Fast"   I'll cover the front. 

If I do need to ride in the evening in the future I'll be going much slower and with much brighter hand held flashlight.

Any comments/ recommendations are welcome. If you see something that I should check/ pay attention to from pic. let me know...

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That's a capacitor. Yes, using silicon is OK.

I was thinking that if you don't care about the wheel looking pretty that you could probably patch it up well enough to ride.

Have you seen this thread, where @FULspeed is upgrading his MSuper light to the Tesla light (which is amazingly bright and very useful for riding 20-mph in total darkness). Maybe follow along and if it works for him that may be a worthwhile upgrade.

 

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@KingSong69   Thank you, capacitors are secured/ connected, the second one only moves a little because usb module wiggles a little (white silicone cracked/ separated). I will add more silicone on the Bluetooth module connection and between both capacitors. 

@Marty Backe  At this point I dont think I care how it looks, I will look into that thread about the light. Time for diy mods :)

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2 hours ago, yourtoys7 said:

UPDATE: I wiggled usb lightly and it works now :), usb attached to capacitor (it wiggles) the one beside it is firm, can I use silicone between capacitors to hold them together?

  Left side took the heat as I was thinking I shifted my body to the right a little to take impact on left side. Few screws are gone/ broke off, inside panel cracked (see photo). Other wise the case seems ok, I might just leave it as is.... "Will be reminder what happens when you go Fast"   I'll cover the front. 

If I do need to ride in the evening in the future I'll be going much slower and with much brighter hand held flashlight.

Any comments/ recommendations are welcome. If you see something that I should check/ pay attention to from pic. let me know...

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That crack in the inner case under the battery could possibly be fixed using a plastic welder kit.  Perhaps a good bead of silicone RTV would be enough, though.  Since opening the case, were you able to get the trolley handle working?  The case looks good enough to ride, maybe drill some holes and zip tie the gap closed.

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20 hours ago, Marty Backe said:

 

Regarding the helmet, your post comes at a good time. I keep going back-and-forth, trying to decide whether I want to upgrade to a full-face helmet. Now I have even more doubts. :confused1:

If you knew you were crashing tomorrow then would you wear one? 

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1 hour ago, LanghamP said:

If you knew you were crashing tomorrow then would you wear one? 

I've also re energised MY search for the perfect EUC helmet.  Don't want to go full M/C helmet, basic bicycle helmet doesn't protect face, Mountain bike down hill DOES have a very sticky outy chin guard which might actually give credence to the spine injury theory.  What to do, what to do.  Football helmet? ice hockey helmet? air soft helmet?  :crying:

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2 minutes ago, Smoother said:

I've also re energised MY search for the perfect EUC helmet.  Don't want to go full M/C helmet, basic bicycle helmet doesn't protect face, Mountain bike down hill DOES have a very sticky outy chin guard which might actually give credence to the spine injury theory.  What to do, what to do.  Football helmet? ice hockey helmet? air soft helmet?  :crying:

I went with this exact model. It's pretty cheap too. 

HJC FG-17 Thrust Full-Face Motorcycle Helmet (MC-6F, Large) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NLQTDLC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_mUghAb0PKFVKJ

 

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18 minutes ago, Smoother said:

I've also re energised MY search for the perfect EUC helmet.  Don't want to go full M/C helmet, basic bicycle helmet doesn't protect face, Mountain bike down hill DOES have a very sticky outy chin guard which might actually give credence to the spine injury theory.  What to do, what to do.  Football helmet? ice hockey helmet? air soft helmet?  :crying:

 If the chin guard strikes the ground it will deform sufficiently to not be so 'sticky outy' lessening this perceived spine injury idea. Go to 1:25 of this video showing testing of the downhill rated MET Parachute 

To see the difference between downhill rated and non downhill rated compare the amount of deformation with the non rated (but still respectable) Bell Super 2R at 1:00 of this video

Either way the helmet flexes and that sticky outy bit ensures your teeth aren't sticky inny/goney outy and probably deforms enough not to risk your spine.

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