ir_fuel Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I was looking at some helmets, checking some reviews on the internet, but I can't understand why there is such a price difference sometimes (especially when I don't find reviews).... case in point: Fox Proframe Downhill: €270 vs Cratoni C-Maniac Downhill: €100 Ok, the second one looks "lighter" (but we all know looks don't tell everything), but why is the first one nearly 3 times as expensive?? and then there also is this one: Alpina King Carapax: €153 To make matters more complicated there is also this one (which I don't care about since I don't want a "motorcycle look" helmet): Fox Rampage Comp: (so same brand as the first one, and "more solid") for €152 which is nearly half the price of the first Fox helmet I posted Anyone care to chime in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Westland Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 There is about twice the material in the models you pictured above, and of course more complex molding and the added vents add to the price. Many people on the board (including me) are getting the Bell Sanction for ~$65. This is much lighter than the motocross helmets you show above. They were originally children's helmets -- the largest size fits me snugly and these are know for running a bit small. But the fit provides very good control; padding is excellent for the speeds EUC riders are going (falling?) and the lightness and visibility are great. Highly recommended. https://www.backcountry.com/bell-sanction-helmet?CMP_SKU=BEL0027&MER=0406&skid=BEL0027-BLASEA-M&mr:trackingCode=F91E52C1-42A1-E611-80FA-005056944E17&mr:referralID=NA&mr:device=c&mr:adType=plaonline&CMP_ID=PLA_GOc001&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PLA&k_clickid=1faf6e4d-b758-4284-93b1-40883dde0f8f&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxdPNBRDmARIsAAw-TUk2H1Fb8D13bjmKmkKd_66lHFiqTBmH57oKwtYsbhxFxTnU9JlJZk8aAlogEALw_wcB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abinder3 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Chris Westland said: There is about twice the material in the models you pictured above, and of course more complex molding and the added vents add to the price. Many people on the board (including me) are getting the Bell Sanction for ~$65. This is much lighter than the motocross helmets you show above. They were originally children's helmets -- the largest size fits me snugly and these are know for running a bit small. But the fit provides very good control; padding is excellent for the speeds EUC riders are going (falling?) and the lightness and visibility are great. Highly recommended. https://www.backcountry.com/bell-sanction-helmet?CMP_SKU=BEL0027&MER=0406&skid=BEL0027-BLASEA-M&mr:trackingCode=F91E52C1-42A1-E611-80FA-005056944E17&mr:referralID=NA&mr:device=c&mr:adType=plaonline&CMP_ID=PLA_GOc001&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=PLA&k_clickid=1faf6e4d-b758-4284-93b1-40883dde0f8f&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxdPNBRDmARIsAAw-TUk2H1Fb8D13bjmKmkKd_66lHFiqTBmH57oKwtYsbhxFxTnU9JlJZk8aAlogEALw_wcB I've been using the Bell 3R for a few months now and really like it. Usually I ride with the chin bar removed, especially when riding on the bike paths at the beach. If I'm riding mostly on the streets or off-road, then I usually ride with the chin bar on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Chris Westland said: There is about twice the material in the models you pictured above, and of course more complex molding and the added vents add to the price. Many people on the board (including me) are getting the Bell Sanction for ~$65. This is much lighter than the motocross helmets you show above. Those are not motocross helmets, but downhill mountainbike helmets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 And I don't mind spending $200 on a helmet, I just try to understand the price differences between those models. Also the Bell you pictured has a comparable model (from Bell) that costs more than twice as much but looks the same at first sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Westland Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 3 hours ago, ir_fuel said: And I don't mind spending $200 on a helmet, I just try to understand the price differences between those models. Also the Bell you pictured has a comparable model (from Bell) that costs more than twice as much but looks the same at first sight. The 3R ... I think the price difference is because of the removable chinbar, and slightly better materials. They do look the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Westland Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 3 hours ago, ir_fuel said: Those are not motocross helmets, but downhill mountainbike helmets. You are right, though dirtbike/motocross helmets cost the same or less, and have the visor (which is probably unnecessary at the speeds bikes and EUCs travel). E.g., for ~$165 https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/afx-fx-41-ds-helmet Or... for ~$99 https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/bell-mx-9-adventure-blockade-helmet Or ... ~$89 https://www.revzilla.com/product/afx-fx-17-helmet Which leads me to question why the mountain-bike-men are spending so much on helmets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 35 minutes ago, Chris Westland said: Or ... ~$89 https://www.revzilla.com/product/afx-fx-17-helmet Which leads me to question why the mountain-bike-men are spending so much on helmets. That thing weighs more than my full face car helmet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Westland Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 hour ago, ir_fuel said: That thing weighs more than my full face car helmet Not really, it's the same as a mountain-bike helmet ... it's even advertised as one. They're very light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abinder3 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 7 hours ago, Chris Westland said: Which leads me to question why the mountain-bike-men are spending so much on helmets. From some of the videos I've seen, some of the mountain bike riders do get going at some rather fast speeds. Also some of the air that they get and the chances of doing a face plant into a tree trunk, the extra safety and higher price helmets can definitely be a must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 7 hours ago, Chris Westland said: Not really, it's the same as a mountain-bike helmet ... it's even advertised as one. They're very light. Look on the site you posted: Weight: 3.44 lbs --> 1.5kg. That is more than my car helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abinder3 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 3 hours ago, ir_fuel said: Look on the site you posted: Weight: 3.44 lbs --> 1.5kg. That is more than my car helmet. My Bell Super 3R only weighs 1.73 lbs. What 'car helmet' are you talking about ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 2 hours ago, abinder3 said: What 'car helmet' are you talking about ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abinder3 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, ir_fuel said: So does the "carbon" printed on it mean it's made out of carbon fiber ? And if it is, it's probably more than $200 brand new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, abinder3 said: So does the "carbon" printed on it mean it's made out of carbon fiber ? Sure looks like it 3 minutes ago, abinder3 said: And if it is, it's probably more than $200 brand new. A little bit more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Westland Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 1.5kg ... that's pretty light. My motorcycle helmets (Arai / Shoei ~$500-$800) are more than that and you don't even notice you are wearing them. The materials and shape are more important than weight IMHO ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, Chris Westland said: The materials and shape are more important than weight IMHO ... For helmets in general it depends on their intended use. Don't underestimate the extra stress put on your neck by that extra weight around your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abinder3 Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 5 hours ago, ir_fuel said: Sure looks like it A little bit more Yea. That's what I figured. It's actually probably a lot more. Hence the reason some of those helmets weigh more than the helmet you were referring to. Generally, the lower priced helmet with a good safety certification will weigh more than the higher price helmet with the same safety certification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 11 hours ago, ir_fuel said: Out if interest, do you also use a HANS device? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share Posted September 12, 2017 10 hours ago, Mono said: Out if interest, do you also use a HANS device? Of course. This is just the first picture I found on the Stilo USA website. HANS posts are an option when ordering online apparently, so they aren't shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanghamP Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 When I rode my MSuper today at the much greater speeds that my KS16s goes, I ended up buying a full-face sport bike helmet. http://www.webbikeworld.com/r2/motorcycle-helmet/hjc/fg-17/review.htm I'd need the visor anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven D Wheeler Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 I wanted a full face helmet. This one does both Full and Open face. It has a sun shield that pulls down which really helps on sunny days. It was cheap $65 and good enough for what I'm doing with my EUC. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0197VNGOE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
litewave Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 59 minutes ago, Steven D Wheeler said: I wanted a full face helmet. This one does both Full and Open face. It has a sun shield that pulls down which really helps on sunny days. It was cheap $65 and good enough for what I'm doing with my EUC. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0197VNGOE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I have that helmet but do not use it for EUC riding – it's just too bulky and clumsy. Modular helmets also tend to be heavier than regular full-face motorcycle helmets – this one weighs 1.85kg which is more than 2x a Bell Super 3R (770g). The field of view with motorcycle helmets is also narrower than with other types. I can't turn my head as quickly and feel less responsive to the environment. Edit: If you want to save money, I think @Chris Westland's recommendation of the Bell Sanction is a good choice if you can find it in your size (XL).The dual-sport helmets (they all tend to have permanent visors) listed earlier in this thread weigh about 1.5kg or more, which is still twice the weight of the 3R or Sanction. The dual-sport helmets do have better visibility than regular motorcycle helmets but less than the mountain bike helmets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanghamP Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 Motorcycle helmets get heavy quickly from nice but not necessary features, such as modular, sun visor, ram vents, and maybe even chin curtains. However, a fiber glass or carbon fiber sport bike helmet is still pretty light even compared to bicycle helmets, and provide much better protection. I'm thinking I don't like the dirtbike or mountainbike open eyeport with chinbar. Might as well go full visor if you're going full face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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