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KS-14S or KS-16/S

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I still consider myself a wheel newbie, just hit the 90km mark today on my KS-16S, so still cursing at max 20 km/h.

3) I did not use any protective padding, started to learn on grass, so that was very gentle to wheel. But i have had to make emergency jump offs on asphalt so i have a some scratches on my wheel, but the shell is still intact.

4) I went with 1radwerkstatt as we have no local King Song dealers in Sweden, too me the after sale support was a big factor when deciding where to buy, i think it is more of a "when" i need support instead of a "if". I went with the 8A charger deal, and man that charger is a beast if you want to charge your wheel quickly.

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6 hours ago, Vislike said:

i think it is more of a "when" i need support instead of a "if". I went with the 8A charger deal, and man that charger is a beast if you want to charge your wheel quickly.

- I hope that unless You break something there should be no major service issues with KS16S in warranty period...   There is not many reports in general about quality issues with Kingsong, and this is their top of the line product..

- Can You please confirm that 1RadWerkstatt suggested / provided You with the 8A charger for KS16S?   This is interesting to know ... 

With the 70 km range I see not so many occasions to need fast charging, as it will in some way decrease the life of the batteries (even if charging is still below 1C) but it would be good to know that 1RadWerkstatt tested and approved such solution.  Unless You go for the trip outside the city I see no so many chances to make more than 60 km in 1 day (and for inexperienced users it will be big physical effort) . With 5k km experience - I can do 60-80 km / day but I feel a bit tired after such trip. (I have made around 300 km in less than 10 days now of owning KS16S now)

I use charge doctor (on daily basis charging it only to 90% at for me it is usually more than enough range, and every week/10 charges - charge it once to 100%) - so In emergency cases I can use 2 pcs of 2Amp chargers in parallel to get the wheel charged quicker.nn

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@Lukasz Yes Chris at 1RadWerkstatt told me it would be no problem to use a 8A charger with the 840wh battery in the 16S. The charge connector on the wheel is replaced with a four pin connector instead of the standard three pin. The package also included the standard 2A charger modified to fit the new connector. The battery indicator in the King Song app showed 91% when the 8A charger stopped. So i will have to use the original 2A charger if at want to charge it to full and balance the cells.

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Thanks for your answers everyone. The consensus seems to be that the KS-16S would be the best pick here. That leaves me with where to buy one for a reasonable price. I hear ks-france or germany (1radwerkstatt), aliexpress seems to have worked as well. As far as European shops go, it seems to be hard to find any which have actual stock of this product.

@Lukasz You didn't mention where you bought yours. Would you mind sharing that?

(I have no problem paying a premium for a European shop btw, but If I see prices which are 50% markup, I consider it a rip-off, even more so considering they are probably getting them at lower prices than advertised to regular consumers elsewhere. The most extra I consider reasonable would be about 25%.)

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I had the same doubt like you. KS14S or KS16S? Finally I decided to buy KS14S because KS16S is appreciably bigger than KS14S and I want my wheel to be agile to go the bus, cinema,... In fact, I'm already waiting to receive it and I'm looking forward to ride it.

However, owing to your weight and height buying KS16S it will be the best option for you. I'm very tall too (1,85 m) but my weight is 73 Kg. (22 kg less than you). So KS16S 840Wh will fit you the best.

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12 hours ago, Fellonium said:

(I have no problem paying a premium for a European shop btw, but If I see prices which are 50% markup, I consider it a rip-off, even more so considering they are probably getting them at lower prices than advertised to regular consumers elsewhere. The most extra I consider reasonable would be about 25%.)

One thing you should take into account when looking at the China/Aliexpress-prices: you may need to pay import tax + your local VAT on top of the shop-price and shipping when the wheel is imported into Europe (the retailers do, so the price at which they sell the wheel to you is wheel factory price + shipping + import taxes + VAT + their own profit margin). That said, I've heard that some of the Ali-shops include the import tax (and maybe VAT?) in the price and handle the importing through the courier, but you better check it up front if you end up ordering from outside EU-area.

The only item I have ordered from Aliexpress that was above the minimum price that's taxed (around 22€ here) was a small tabletop-CNC. The original price for the item was 128€, but with shipping and courier charges + import tax + VAT, the final price was around 240€. I knew it beforehand, but if you haven't taken that into account, it might not be a nice surprise when you get the import tax + VAT -bill from the courier before they release the package to you.

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I don't think 680Wh would be enough if you aim for 40km. I weigh 91kg, and while I might be able to push my 520Wh 16" Lhotz up to 30km, it wouldn't be that fun power saving the whole trip. 20km goes fine without worry, so that's what I plan my trips for. Then again, I prefer a low tire pressure of 2.3 bars, which surely decreases the distance.

I have only used my 16" IPS Lhotz, and once tried to ride my brother's 14" IPS Zero. The Zero felt so wobbly and unstable that I was too afraid to make a turn. My brother is already planning for atleast a 16" wheel after only 3 months with a 14".

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I'm late to the discussion and agree that if those are your two choices, the KS16 is best. I just wanted to add that you'll probably be lucky to get 40km on any KingSong wheel other than the KS18. My riding weight is ~80kg and I can get 56km on a ~800wh battery wheel, with the last few miles in limp mode. Your additional weight will reduce that range. If you are willing to limit your speed to 24km/h max than you can extend your range a fair amount.

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Has anyone actually got their hands on a 14s? Is there an eta on any company's shipping of them?

 

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19 hours ago, Paddylaz said:

Has anyone actually got their hands on a 14s? Is there an eta on any company's shipping of them?

Ours should be arriving mid-July. I'll try to do comprehensive comparison as soon as possible. 

My assumption is it would be similar to V5F+/V8 comparison, where the 16 inch can offer more motor output, sustained speed and better road/off-road experience, whereas the 14 inch would win on maneuverability, price mark and compact design. 

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Just to add to the stats: with 85kg I'm easily getting around 45-50km on a 680Wh KS 16B in a single ride (I have done this test often) riding in both flat and uphill that is. I also have the "old" KS 14 (340Wh) and would definitely go for the KS 16 without a doubt. You won't regret it :)

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