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A one year of usage review of the IPS Xima Lhotz 340wh

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1 hour ago, Xima Lhotz said:

I have the “old” version 30km/h 340wH and bought it for 1000EUR was only 1 place to get it (its now cheaper…)

Sorry, can you help me out and tell me what the "new" Version is and what are the differences?

 

1 hour ago, Xima Lhotz said:
The ugly
 
The inside of the wheel i covered in dust.
The battery pack broke (broken connection after vibrations) so that had to be repaired, when will the next connection brake? Bit of an trust issue...
 
1 hour ago, Xima Lhotz said:

Add to that battery pack failure due to vibrations

I dont know..isnt the Lhotz  marketed as IP65 waterproof, while it is not a bit dustproof at least? :-)

To the Batterie design:

That's what i said again and again, this System with dozen of cables leading to a Mother-board with integrated BMS is totally outdated and error-prone! And thats not just my feelings, it's confirmed by a Workshop for EUC's

To sell that design as an "waterproof" board System and as an Advantage  is ....hmmmh...questionable at least!

 

1 hour ago, Xima Lhotz said:
Would i buy again?
Short answer, No.
With everyday riding in all types of conditions 1 year of usage is not fantastic and i expected more.
There are more powerful, higher wH fast wheels today and the reliability and quality on wheels like Inmotion V8 or ACM at almost the same prise is well worth it.

Yip...nowadays the arguments for buying a Lhotz disappear more and more....

 

1 hour ago, Xima Lhotz said:

Homepage, manual and support seem “off” there is a feeling they will they disappear.

you are not alone with that Feeling :-)

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On 4/21/2017 at 3:34 PM, KingSong69 said:

Sorry, can you help me out and tell me what the "new" Version is and what are the differences?

Its with the old control board that doesn't work with iamips app. It also doesn't have RGB led function, but it does have RGB leds installed. 

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I dont know..isnt the Lhotz  marketed as IP65 waterproof, while it is not a bit dustproof at least? :-)

Yes, thats the reason i bought it, i wanted to be able to ride in any condition.

IP class 65 is (from wikipedia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code :

6 = Dust tight, No ingress of dust; complete protection against contact (dust tight). A vacuum must be applied. Test duration of up to 8 hours based on air flow

5 = Water projected by a nozzle (6.3 mm) against enclosure from any direction shall have no harmful effects.

Its nowhere close to this spec.

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To the Batterie design:

That's what i said again and again, this System with dozen of cables leading to a Mother-board with integrated BMS is totally outdated and error-prone! And thats not just my feelings, it's confirmed by a Workshop for EUC's

Yes, these devices shake a lot (every small bump or stone) so it really needs to be well designed with very solid battery packs.

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To sell that design as an "waterproof" board System and as an Advantage  is ....hmmmh...questionable at least!

Its complete false advertising and is nowhere close to true. Really bad.

Buying it with this as one of the main reasons gives me a bigger feeling of non satisfaction with IPS. (maybe bigger then if you just bought it not knowing / wanting IP rating).

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Yip...nowadays the arguments for buying a Lhotz disappear more and more....

you are not alone with that Feeling :-)

Really basic things, too bad IPS doesn't recognise this. 

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On 4/21/2017 at 9:34 AM, KingSong69 said:

Homepage, manual and support seem “off” there is a feeling they will they disappear.

According to rayna903,

Our official website is  http://www.iamips.com/

Please contact us if you have any problems:

runrui.meng@iamips.com

bess@iamips.com

yueyue.wang@iamips.com

The silence of all of these individuals and the absence of the IPS website seems to indicate IPS is dead.

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On 4/21/2017 at 9:34 AM, KingSong69 said:

I dont know..isnt the Lhotz  marketed as IP65 waterproof, while it is not a bit dustproof at least?

The IP65 rating refers to the sealed electronics, not the entire wheel shell, as shown in this image from IPS Singapore.

 

IPSSealedElectronics.jpg

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20 hours ago, MaxLinux said:

The silence of all of these individuals and the absence of the IPS website seems to indicate IPS is dead.

Yes, the homepage have been dead for some time now.

20 hours ago, MaxLinux said:

The IP65 rating refers to the sealed electronics, not the entire wheel shell, as shown in this image from IPS Singapore.

IPSSealedElectronics.jpg

Yes clearly IP65 as the totally white open connector(s) from the control box can handle water. I bet that red and black wire is + and - with some type of voltage.

Its like having a IP65 rated glovebox in you car but the doors doesn't have windows and saying, "This car is IP65 rated" with a strait face.

I understand where they are going here, but its really bad, and this isn't listed on the official IPS page, its listed on a distributor page.

 

Official IPS store, wheel listed as IP65 device, not the control box.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01LY94P8F?m=A1RO1TBXM3SGUD&ref_=v_sp_widget_detail_page

 

 

 

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On 21.4.2017 at 3:34 PM, KingSong69 said:

Sorry, can you help me out and tell me what the "new" Version is and what are the differences?

As OP stated, the newer (post IPS Zero) version has an all in one controller. The older version has the sealed aluminium controlbox which contains the motor controller/gyro assembly and the BMS, the LED controllers and Bluetooth board are seperate PCBs, which are not further enclosed and thus not protected.  Furthermore, the newer version only has 3 LEDs in the front and back, but they change color according to direction of travel (front white rear red). Last but not least, they have different ballancing algorythms. The older one has a little firmer respose, but it has a distinct swaying front and back. So if you accelerate, you get a thight response, but as you continue to lean forward, the pedals start slightly to dip a bit, while still responding tight. Then, when you stop leaning, the pedals slowly rise again. You get accustomed to that beheaviour really quick, it's not a bad thing, just something the wheel does. The newer verion of the Lhotz is more neutral, but a littel less firm in pedal response, quite similar to the IPS Zero... (it just happens that I could ride my new Lhotz, the old Lhotz and a Zero back to back last weekend). Additionally it uses the same app as the Zero, which I think is sufficient, but could be better. Tiltback can be set at 12, 20, 25 and 30 kph, but this should also be possible with the older version? Speed alarm beepings are not customizeable in any version (1Hz beeping at 23, 4 Hz at 26, cont. beep at 29 kph)

On 21.4.2017 at 1:48 PM, Xima Lhotz said:

Rusted handle.

Got that on mine after a few months... See here:

On 21.4.2017 at 1:48 PM, Xima Lhotz said:

Design flaw..

Probably better to close those holes...

On 21.4.2017 at 1:48 PM, Xima Lhotz said:
 
Image of back led with dust inside.

The newer generation LED housings are proved better against dust and water ingress

On 21.4.2017 at 1:48 PM, Xima Lhotz said:

The battery pack broke (broken connection after vibrations) so that had to be repaired, when will the next connection brake? Bit of an trust issue...

Maybe @Volker Behrends wants to contribute to this matter, he had his own battery shenanigans with Lhotz, losing all bluetooth and LED functionality as a consequence... I just hope my battery will hold up. I am currently thinking about using velcro tape to fasten the battery over the full contact area with the inner shell. That should reduce the stress on the battery quite a bit.

 

As for the EUC market in Europe, I think the IPS wheels are still a decent coice, as they are the cheapest units available that can be considered fit for commuting. Right now, the lhotz comes at $700 shipped and taxed, that make around 670€. One alternative would be a 9bot1E+, and that's already ~€250 more to pay for, while not comming near the performance of the Lhotz. The better alternative would be the Gotway MCM4 340Wh at $800. But anyone should consider for himself if he can cope with the whistling of the Gotways. Thats IMHO another point for the IPS wheels in general, they run really quiet. If you want that, all Gotways, KingSongs and RockWheels are out of bussiness anyways, so only 9bot and InMotion left, which are quite a bit more expensive.

 

On 23.4.2017 at 6:09 PM, MaxLinux said:

The silence of all of these individuals and the absence of the IPS website seems to indicate IPS is dead.

Just had contact with yueyue some weeks ago and succesfully ordered a new outer shell for my Lhotz. I wouldn't call them dead, there is still some hope that they might come out with a new wheel in the future? I would absolutly appreciate it. They got the most important things of EUCs down quite well, just some minor annoyances to fix and the wheels should be ready for market in the next generation.

 

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Hi guys,

this is my first post here. I'm moderately new to EU's. So far I've had the Airwheel X3 and the Zero 340.

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On 24.04.2017 at 8:57 PM, Slaughthammer said:

Tiltback can be set at 12, 20, 25 and 30 kph

You mean the max speed, right? Because these are the values of max speed that can be set in my Zero.

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Yes, max speed can be adjusted. Max speed is enforced by tilt back. So you can adjust tilt back speed. And yes, options on the latest lhotz are identical to the zero.

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Well, my Zero seems to tilt back way before reaching the set max speed, but after all there's only one type of speed adjustment in EUC's...

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I would love to see more of these " 1 year later " reviews on as many different models of EUC as possible but more notably the msuper v3 which i own myself. 

A lot of people deside which EUC to get from the " first impression " kind of reviews which is fine as it'll give you an idea as to what you get when you open the box. But for people like me where an EUC is neither a hobby nor a toy but a primary means of transportation it's almost imperative to know what kind of performance (or lack thereof) you can expect 1 year down the line. 

I know i ride my EUC a lot more than is considered normal. I've had it for almost a month and have gone beyond 500km. I'd say i approximately ride 18-20km in one day. 

And having a different riding style and average speeds (than the reviewer) might mean that a 1 year later review is not 100% applicable to everyone but it's very good for finding potential life threatening errors/flaw/defects. It allows for people to take preventative measures so that these errors/flaw/defects might be completely fixed before they become a pressing issue. 

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