Lubrication for the wheel

[US69]

Just now, master255 said:

 @KingSong69, you do not read the answers correctly:
 

 

 @KingSong69, you do not read the answers correctly:
 

 

sorry !

i am off!!!

are you again not reading? sticky or not sticky, drying or not drying...

the bearing is CLOSED! You can put coka cola or something else there...

"its hard to explain"....

Sure: because there is nothing to explain!

you can put the grease on your head....same effect...NONE!

 

LMAO...what a troll....please admins give me warning...but can not take this anymore!

 

 

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Just now, master255 said:

 @KingSong69, you do not read the answers correctly:
 

 

 @KingSong69, you do not read the answers correctly:
 

 

sorry !

i am off!!!

are you again not reading? sticky or not sticky, drying or not drying...

the bearing is CLOSED! You can put coka cola or something else there...

"its hard to explain"....

Sure: because there is nothing to explain!

you can put the grease on your head....same effect...NONE!

 

LMAO...what a troll....please admins give me warning...but can not take this anymore!

 

 

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[OliverH]

I had a creep capable grease in mind as master255 explained it and I had difficulties to read the Cyrillic letters. He posted later on my request the right description/ pictures and I was surprised.  So I was wrong in my understanding and that it can keep on the bearing as a medium grease getting dust and dirt which can destroy seals/ bearing. So this risk should not be true.

As he uses this silicone spray this shouldn't get dirt not as heavy, but dust. Silicone spray is not a long time lubrication. Most of this sprays have a fluid which evaporates quickly and leaves back a small film of this so called silicone. I use it for mounting stuff or clean rubber and give it a pre/ short term lubrication. In most cases Vaseline works better/ longer (mounting/ noise reduction on plastic parts).

A sealed bearing is technically leak resistant. But this is not 100% resistant but mostly.

I'm looking forward to see a more detailed description. I think master255 hasn't explained it in a manner we understand correct.

 

[steve454]

2 hours ago, OliverH said:

I think master255 hasn't explained it in a manner we understand correct.

 

I understood him to say that the silicone spray cleans away any dirt or grit at the bearing, keeping it clean.  Silicone spray will not hurt rubber, so should not hurt the sealed bearing.  Also he said it is good for the pedal hinge and the trolley handle to make them work smoother and I agree.  Silicone spray is not sticky at all, it's what we used to use on Foosball tables to make the handles faster and smoother, but it doesn't last long because it is very thin and must be reapplied frequently, just like @master255 was saying.  It  is not a grease.  It is also good for power windows on your car, you spray it on the felt in the window channel and the window will go up with less sticking.

[who_the]

@master255 When you "spit on" someone, no explanation is necessary, even for someone as dumb as myself. An apology, though — from you, to Oliver — is appropriate and now overdue. I apologize to you if something has been lost in my understanding of your words. But "spit on" is as clear an insult as one can give in any language, as is attacking me as "not smart," no matter how true it is. 

[Cloud]

Ok, this craziness has to stop. @master255, you need to understand that your way of communicating is offensive to other members. It doesnt matter if you are right or wrong, you should stop being so pushy with your opinion. This is not what sharing is about - share your knowledge and dont offend others if you believe they dont understand something. Мужик, это тебе не российский форум, здешние ребята не привыкли к такому общению. Давай будем уважать окружающих...

Guys, not to defend Master's , but just so you know, russian culture is a bit different. They are very straightforward in their communication , never sugarcoat their opinions, and it's almost normal for russians to say things like this when they believe someone doesnt understand what they are supposed to understand. Also, fyi, " to spit on something/ someone" is russian slang, which means " to not care about someone/ something, and that that something doesnt matter.  What Master meant is that he doesnt care who has what profession, he still maintains his opinion.

how do i know all of this? Simple. I am originally from Russia. 

[master255]

@KingSong69, I do not understand. Why are you not listening to me. I wrote, I disassembled the engine and collected it. For several months I spent testing various lubricants. About the results, I wrote in the first message.
Not lubricated bearings, but other moving parts lubricated. This is what I wrote, too.
In addition, your experience does not withstand scrutiny. What else you do not understand?

[master255]

11 hours ago, OliverH said:

I'm looking forward to see a more detailed description. I think master255 hasn't explained it in a manner we understand correct.

I can not explain it. Apparently this is a complicated assembly which needs to be lubricated. And I repeat: this spray blows away the dust and dirt. Maybe this is his main advantage.

[master255]

@steve454, yes!

@who_the, Apologies are accepted.

[master255]

@Cloud, No. It is not in the culture. The fact that I am a highly qualified specialist. One of the main testers Ninebot One. I write about useful thing. But some people condemn me without even checking in practice and without logical arguments.
I think this is because the first message is very difficult to understand. Even for other qualified expert.
But I have written for ordinary people! Not for the experts! And in comments in general, should not be a criticism! At all!
А ребята уже не дети. Пора взрослеть и не бояться слов в форумах.

[Scully]

11 minutes ago, master255 said:

 The fact that I am a highly qualified specialist. One of the main testers Ninebot One. 

So you are a Ninebot salesman? 

Now I'm confused.

[master255]

@Scully, No! How is it linked with sales.

[Fahrtwind]

master255 wrote

The place where the bearing touches the shaft -> there is no motion! The motion takes place in the inner of the bearing. This is the place where you need as less friction as possible. HQ bearings have got a special filling with a kind of Lithium based grease. If the bearing is worn you have to change it.

I do fly modell helicopters with many moving parts with thrust and radial bearings. You never lubricate them. If you have problems with friction between a shaft and the bearing, you usually stick it with loctide to the shaft to prevent to wear in the shaft...

By the way - is it possible to insert an additional quote when editing the post?

[jer]

feisty lively thread. Not your normal 9bot discussion. I remain in the no lube required on the bearing camp. ? a bit on the peddle hinge is fine. When shit encrusted I would use a soft brush and vacuum cleaner. These days I avoid going in wet and mud ad it goes everywhere.

peace

j

[Keith]

6 hours ago, Fahrtwind said:

I do fly modell helicopters with many moving parts with thrust and radial bearings. You never lubricate them. If you have problems with friction between a shaft and the bearing, you usually stick it with loctide to the shaft to prevent to wear in the shaft...

...and you have never used silicon spray on a helicopter? I used to break a tail belt about once a month until I used silicon spray on it regularly, the next one lasted 3 years. It is also fine on sliding or metal to metal parts like the main shaft to swashplate, however I kept it well away from the bearings as the silicon is contained in a penatrating solvent that (IMHO) could get past the seals and wash out the grease in the bearings ;-) 

6 hours ago, Fahrtwind said:

By the way - is it possible to insert an additional quote when editing the post?

Yes of course you can! 

Just leave the curser where you want to insert the quote scroll back up to the post and hit the 'Quote' link.

Ah sorry just realised you mean editing after it is saved (as here) no, that seems to leave you edit open and also create a new post below it - sorry!

[master255]

@Fahrtwind, @KingSong69, @OliverH Image for super specialists!

The arrows show the places that may rub against each other, when in contact with dirt.

[OliverH]

3 hours ago, Keith said:

[..] however I kept it well away from the bearings as the silicon is contained in a penatrating solvent that (IMHO) could get past the seals and wash out the grease in the bearings ;-) [..]

That's what I meant with the evaporative stuff. It's like using Cockpit spray cleaning the dashboard in a car - don't smoke Waiting for the moment someone cleans the bearing area with brake cleaner.

[master255]

@OliverH, You must remember! I'm talking about what is already checked in practice. Before advise something, you have to check it in practice.

[OliverH]

8 hours ago, master255 said:

@OliverH, You must remember! I'm talking about what is already checked in practice. Before advise something, you have to check it in practice.

Does it points to a specific statement in this thread or a specific post? Sometimes I'm having trouble to follow your statements. 

This bearings (and it's covering/ protection) are just a joke on all of our EUCs. This motors are derived from eBikes which are build for a different requirement and other forces are estimated. Bearing failures, going south, making noise because of small movements can happen. This are cheap parts and it cost just nothing to replace a motor. But it's boring if this stuff fails. Currently I swapped my EUC after a bit more than a year and gave it to my son. The MSuper I may be keep a bit longer. If you just look from a lifetime perspective you can estimate 2-3k km, luckily without failures. As a customer I expect that an EUC lasts 1-2 years and that we don't live in the time of beginning of the last century where machines need a lot of maintenance.

I just drive my EUC and expect it's on the standard used on machines/ vehicles by today. If it fails because of stupid design "limitations" than the manufacturer has a bad reputation, it's not just happening to me. We need to force this manufacturers to design and build better quality. In general an EUC should be maintenance free and you should only check regularly the tire pressure and functions. I haven't seen bearing failures in our riding crew only one KS18 which has a bit bearing movement. But because of the hills no one rides a 9b1, only Gotway/ Kingsong/ Firewheel with some decent km runtime and sometimes a hard life. But we've made some tear downs of this stuff to see the differences of quality.

There will be EUCs coming in some years with better quality. 

[Paddylaz]

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[Keith]

9 hours ago, master255 said:

@OliverH, You must remember! I'm talking about what is already checked in practice. Before advise something, you have to check it in practice.

In which case, you can surely show us a picture of the damage done to a NB1 by not lubricating it and end this circular argument immediately.  

Unless not lubricating it can be shown to result in excess wear/damage, the most you have shown so far is that it might not do any harm and then only on a NB1 as no other make of wheel is yet reporting excessive wear if not additionally lubricated.

[Fahrtwind]

14 hours ago, Keith said:

...and you have never used silicon spray on a helicopter? I used to break a tail belt about once a month until I used silicon spray on it regularly, the next one lasted 3 years. It is also fine on sliding or metal to metal parts like the main shaft to swashplate, however I kept it well away from the bearings as the silicon is contained in a penatrating solvent that (IMHO) could get past the seals and wash out the grease in the bearings ;-) 

Yes of course you can! 

Just leave the curser where you want to insert the quote scroll back up to the post and hit the 'Quote' link.

Ah sorry just realised you mean editing after it is saved (as here) no, that seems to leave you edit open and also create a new post below it - sorry!

No, never. I do fly two MSH Protos and a Minicopter Diabolo 700, the belts are not lubricated. Hours of flights and I nerver changed them, they look good. Every 20 flights a drop of oil were the swashplate hits the mainshaft, same with the tail sliding sleeve. Advantage of oil: it is not sticky, dirt will be thrown away when spinning. Disadvantage: the oil also...

But: I was talking about bearings. They are "service-free". If they sound strange, I change them. The worst thing you can do is to put oil on them as the grease filling becomes liquid/changes viscosity and they run out.

[master255]

2 hours ago, Paddylaz said:

Content count: 156

Communty reputation: 9

 

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This is not the right numbers. The problem is that I explain very complex things that can not understand the general public. For this reason, I always have a bad reputation in these topics. This is normal, but not correctly.

[master255]

@OliverH, About what quality you speak? Where do you see the poor quality?
On the new Ninebot One P I drove 1000km. and I feel that this is just the beginning. All parts are changing modularly. This allows for the wear simply change them. In addition, sometimes it is possible to change the warranty parts that are not subject to warranty replacement. This advantage Ninebot.
Old Ninebot One P I examined fully. It is in perfect condition after 1600km .. I think - this is a very good result. The quality and reliability Ninebot One P can be compared to a modern car.

It should be understood that the 1600km. on the wheel is not equal to 1600km by car.
I think about the following coefficient (inside Moscow): 30km. on the wheel = 100km. (minimum!) by car.
This means 1600/30 * 100 = 5333 km .. by car.

[master255]

@Keith, you can listen to me and ride comfortably, or do not listen and have a problems.
I am nothing to anyone must not.
 

[OliverH]

48 minutes ago, master255 said:

@OliverH, About what quality you speak? Where do you see the poor quality?
On the new Ninebot One P I drove 1000km. and I feel that this is just the beginning. All parts are changing modularly. This allows for the wear simply change them. In addition, sometimes it is possible to change the warranty parts that are not subject to warranty replacement. This advantage Ninebot.
Old Ninebot One P I examined fully. It is in perfect condition after 1600km .. I think - this is a very good result. The quality and reliability Ninebot One P can be compared to a modern car.

It should be understood that the 1600km. on the wheel is not equal to 1600km by car.
I think about the following coefficient (inside Moscow): 30km. on the wheel = 100km. (minimum!) by car.
This means 1600/30 * 100 = 5333 km .. by car.

Give us an overview which parts you've still changed. What I understand there were still some parts changed on your 9b1. As I was in Moscow I've seen those roads there and the culture to drive. I never would ride on a road there.

I wouldn't start with any coefficient/ muliplicator for EUCs over cars. A car is designed for 1000-2000 h lifecycle (depending on the manufacturer). This will never happen to an EUC. If you take 3000 km (which I think is high) lifecycle on an EUC with an average speed of 10km/h you'll get 300 h. It's more like 100-200 h lifecycle which is to low but you've the possibility to simulate an EUC life in a month on a bench.